<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">iDC List Members,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">There is some recent precedence for the wiki-based collaborative story development that Julian mentioned at the end of his post.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; ">Some of you might know Ze Frank (<A href="http://zefrank.com">http://zefrank.com</A>/) from his weekly video series The Show (<A href="http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/">http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/</A>). He has recently been playing around with collaborative, wiki development of show scripts:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.zefrank.com/wiki/index.php/Fabuloso_Friday/Main_Project_Page">http://www.zefrank.com/wiki/index.php/Fabuloso_Friday/Main_Project_Page</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">He encourages people to create and edit a script that he then videotapes for his site.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If you look at what he ended up with, for a three minute spot, you can see how the lack of coherence and "douchebag" jokes reflect some of the concerns that Eric raised:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.zefrank.com/wiki/index.php/Fabuloso_Friday/The_Script">http://www.zefrank.com/wiki/index.php/Fabuloso_Friday/The_Script</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/06/060906.html">http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/06/060906.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Now, this might be appropriate for the snarky (in a positive sense) videos that Ze Frank is known for producing, but for other types of content, i.e., engaging and long-term story-lines in interactive narratives, this is likely not what one desires.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I share Eric's concerns about not wanting to be elitist while also understanding the way that many creative people work. I'm still waiting to see (or develop) a collaborative creative system that does not degenerate into meaningless chaos. How can we create a system that through its design, enables a "meaningful" chaos or "multiplicity" (to delve into Deleuzian-speak here) that reflects how many (or maybe just myself) feel about the multifaceted online world?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm still trying to come up with an answer.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">nick</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Stallabrass, Julian wrote:</DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;">On Eric’s mordant but fundamental remarks:</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;">In big-name gaming, we are already settled mostly with Hollywood scenarios, so it’s not clear that the Story Web would make things any worse. It opens the possibility for two effects:</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;">One may be simply to augment the power and ideology of existing gaming narrative, creating greater immersion and arguably with it less critical awareness on the part of players. That’s a real possibility and danger.</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;">The other is that it allows some more independent-minded people to create plots that take players somewhere different—as I said in terms of sophistication, moral grey areas, lack of neat endings and so on.</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;">The issue of the quality of writing itself may matter less. One should expect much less than wonderful stuff. But as with other mods, these contributions often drop out of the picture as their reputation gets around. Alexander Galloway had a look at the idea, and suggested formalising this, so that players could choose to see ratings for each story strand.</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px 0.0px"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;">--Julian</SPAN></FONT></P><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Garamond" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Garamond" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"> </SPAN></FONT><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8"><BR></FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8"><BR></FONT></DIV><DIV style="text-align: center;margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#002BC8" face="Arial" size="4"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13.3px;"><I>This e-mail, including any attachments, is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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