<div>Hi Ryan,</div>
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<div>Do you find this work/leisure still tenable or operative in our current situation?</div>
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<div>When we apply the hacker ethic of passionate production, and there is a merger of our 'work' with our life's purpose (however temporary), then that work is what we want to do most of all; furthermore, as work mergers with life, there is no more clear distinction (see also the hacker ethic by Pekka Himanen) between both?
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<div>Michel<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/9/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ryan Griffis</b> <<a href="mailto:ryan.griffis@gmail.com">ryan.griffis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:02 AM, <a href="mailto:idc-request@bbs.thing.net">idc-request@bbs.thing.net</a> wrote:
<br><br>> This is the intellectual market dialectic as I see it - As more noise<br>> flourishes, one has to be on lists, blogs, etc constantly - the<br>> more the<br>> better. On the other hand, this consumes one's life to point where
<br>> there<br>> can be nothing but practice.<br><br>Patrick's post called up some recent reading - Chris Rojek's "Culture<br>and Leisure" (2000), where he has a pretty thorough analysis/history<br>
of criticism surrounding leisure and work. This discussion on the<br>list seems to be covering some similar territory...<br>Rojek talks about 2 kinds of leisure (borrowing from someone, whom i<br>can't remember) - "Serious leisure" and "casual leisure" - serious
<br>being the kind of activity that is focused and "beneficial" to life<br>goals (participating on lists, or going to art museums for example),<br>casual being things like drinking and surfing the tv. He does a<br>
pretty good job of critiquing this dichotomy while finding a use for<br>classifying leisure time. Most significantly, he discusses the need<br>for an "ethics of leisure" to help shift things from the "work ethic"
<br>that dominates US life especially. he marginally gets into the<br>implications of distributed technology upon both of these "ethics",<br>mostly using the cache of Western critical theory surrounding<br>rationality and commodity fetishism (predominantly the Frankfurt
<br>School).<br>he also goes over some post 1970s theories that attempt to solve the<br>problem of work, following post industrial criticism (Galbraith, etc)<br>- namely in ideas like guaranteed wages, decreasing work hours,
<br>redistributing wealth to narrow the income gap, etc. he has some good<br>criticism of these as solutions, especially the idea that more<br>leisure time wouldn't improve many peoples' lives without developing<br>
a radical ethics of leisure. he goes a little too far in the<br>direction of arguing "human nature" as a barrier to solving wealth<br>inequities for my predisposition, but he makes some valid points<br>nonetheless.
<br>anyway, i thought i'd throw out another discourse around ethics that<br>seems to intersect with the discussion here...<br>best,<br>ryan<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed Creativity (
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