<br>I would like to make two remarks.<br><br>I believe that the processes set in motion by peer production, governance and property, as they are embedded in 'capitalism', are not necessarily "anti"-capitalist, but more properly non-capitalist or I would say post-capitalist. Their inner logic, producing directly for use value, outside of the salary and price system, through a logic of sharing, etc... are a new system, creating a new reality, rather than partaking of the dichotomy of industrial society. You can have rabid pro-capitalist free software coders, yet their practice is non-capitalist.
<br><br>The second remark is that we have to learn to divorce the market, exchanging scarce goods for a common denominator, is not the same as capitalism, and its necessary correlation of unlimited growth in a physically finite environment. It is logically entirely possible to be pro-market and anti-capitalist (see
<a href="http://mutualist.org">mutualist.org</a>).<br><br>This also means that the post-capitalist modes of production and governance, can be embedded in a struggle that aims to reverse the pseudo-abundance of material goods, and the pseudo-scarcity of cultural goods (the hallmark of capitalism), while at the same time being sympathetic to fair and peer-arbitraded market forms.
<br><br>Michel<br><br><br>John Sobol: <br><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br><br>maybe not. i waffle on this one. i'd just like to advance the argument
<br>that sociable web media, or whatever you want to call it, is not just a<br>potential player in an anticapitalist struggle but is rather inherently<br>anti-capitalist itself, despite all of your emphasis on market<br>economics and the costs of accessing infrastructure. I'm saying the use
<br>of these tools is anti-capitalist, even if the platform is not.<br>Obviously we disagree as to which is more important and more<br>transformative of the other. It's anti-capitalist because it's of the<br>process economy. Literate capitalism is a product-based economy.
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