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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi Simon,</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks for your post. You
write...</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>In </span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Europe</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>
and elsewhere we have lived for two generations within a </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>rather
benevolent context. If it was not for a socio-economic system </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>where relatively
generous arms length state support for the arts, and </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>other
non-industrial means of production, was default we would have </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>seen a very
different development in the arts and society since the </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>mid 2</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>0</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>th
C.<<<</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Excuse my ignorance but what
is the support given to artists by the governments your referring to? It is a
living wage? Some sort of tax break? Food stamps? Free studio space and
materials? </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Are artists free to express
themselves and think whatever they like and do as they please without
accountability or the loss of that support? Are artists under these systems
able to be upwardly mobile economicly should they desire to be?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Or is the support indirect
somehow and less intrusive? The only support for artists that I see in the </span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>USA</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>
is the possibility of sales on an open market. As such, artists clearly need to
be engaging in artistic activity that generates art as capital that can be sold
for whatever it might be worth on the open market. In this regard, a visual
artist would need to act in the same professional way as an architect or
industrial designer. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>However, being an individual
producer not dependant of any particular client, an artist can work "on
speculation". In other words, can create whatever art one wishes and then
attempt to find a market for it after the fact rather than the other way
around.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>This seems like the best
arrangement for an individual artist from the stand point of not being
accountable to anyone and thus free to explore one's work as one wishes subject
only to market viability.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Are you saying that you see
this as a flawed approach? I wish to point out that the larger market that
allows contemporary artists to liquefy their capital wealth generated by their
long tedious hours of solitude in the studio, is the market built, not by
artists, but by art collectors so that they may easily recover their investment
when they wish to on the art objects that they acquire as they might with a
piece of real estate or a stock. Even though it does, to a large extent, fail
to value a great deal of contemporary production, it still seems reasonable
that artists would avail themselves of it.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Your write: </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>Post Object art,
performance and most media art, much of conceptual </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>art...in fact
most of what could be described as post modern </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>practice, would
not have become the dominant forms of our time. That </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>much of the
impetus for this has come from </span></font><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Europe</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>
is not </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>coincidental.
Such paradigms of work are only possible when value is </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>ascribed in ways
not afforded by the sort of socio-economic model on </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>which the </span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>US</span></font><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>
is predicated and which Howard is suggesting should be </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>default not only
there but globally. One could also argue this using </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>the example of
food production. McDonalds versus artisinal food </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>production.<<<</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Yes, it seems logical that
if you remove the dire need for income from the life of the artist, then he is
going to figure out other things to do with his time and resources that do not
require a sellable and desirable object as an end product nor spend the
sacrifice of developing and exhibiting craft skills that give a work of art a
sense of value, namely sensual integrity and material quality. This is
especially going to be true if there is an underlying contempt for the
development of capital that might be bought away from the artists by the
economic elite. Interesting development; do you regard it as a viable model for
a global arts community?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>In this regard however, it
seems to me, that you are saying that European artists on the public dole are
providing the public with hyper objects that cannot be valued on an open
market. Are you saying this is to be preferred or is somehow more advanced than
an open market approach?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Correct me if I am wrong or
if I misunderstand but it really sounds to me that you have it backwards as far
as who is providing artisinal food production and who is providing denatured
food as entertainment instead of nutrition (as in McDonalds).</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Additionally, it seems to me
that, like government workers, artists on the public dole will be inclined to
determine the value of their work based on the compensation they are receiving.
That does not seem like a system that would flourish indefinately. Do you find
that to be true or false? Obviously, I am only speculating.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>It seems to me that if your
working under the patronage of the government, the system itself is going to
have profound and far reaching influence on the arts community it is
patronizing and, in effect, muffle it and reduce its voice to a merely
political one. Is that a wrong assumption?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Are you saying that you
believe that the arts community should not create wealth and capital such as
people in any other form of industry or production do? If you are suggesting
this, then I am wondering how you envision artists having any position to
effect change globally or for that matter even in one's own apartment.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Your write:</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>The sort of
model that Howard is promoting is based on a mean </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>perception of
human nature, predicated on an understanding that </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>people are only
motivated by their own need and where profit can only </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>be gained at the
expense of others. This is the logic of capitalism. </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>It is also the
logic of the criminal mind.<<<</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I do not read that at all in
what Howard said. I think Howard is saying that in a world of capitalism we are
forced to generate capital in order to eat. I have been grappling with this and
am feeling like the best thing is not to resist the obvious but rather figure
out how to make it work in a way that is livable. I see that you're saying that
capitalism must be resisted in favor of something else. I don't see how you're
going to do that but would love to hear the something else you think could be
put in place that would prevent or supplant it and hear what kind of world that
might be.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I see the big issue actually
being privatization of what was public. That is the trend that is the economic
cutting edge the last few years and that is seen as the new frontier so far as
wealth generation in concerned. I am assumed that is an inevitability but
perhaps it is not?</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>However, if privatization
is, in fact, the sweeping wave then the cultural community would certainly have
the most potential for generating wealth and leading the way toward how best to
use it. This is not to say that wealth will feed the starving or heal the sick
but if the cultural community determined to see an end of profound poverty
under the assumption that many of our artist brothers and sisters are among
them waiting for the day that they may dream a dream larger than survival then,
with this global communication that we have, we could begin to dream up a
better world. A world that we could coordinate outside of governmental
controls... Just as private citizens working to create examples of the better
world we think might work. In other words, utopia building as an art form.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>After all, the wealthy are
doing exactly that. They are building the world that they want for their own
purposes in order to secure their power over the "people" to make
them good consumers of the products they have the people make for them. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>World Peace and general
prosperity is the best thing that could happen for many corporations. We are
the creatives. What are we doing? What do we want to do?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Another thing we could look
at as an art form to play with is economic theory. I really don't trust the
theory every one always talks about - supply and demand - there is something
wrong with that. What if we invent some new ways for people to think about
wealth and poverty and how to harmonize them so that every one has a way to
have enough to live on. For some reason that seems to have not been figured out
yet. I don't mean to take it from the wealthy who should still have wealth if
that's what they want. I have got nothing against wealth. That is what supports
art. Maybe artists need to figure it out. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>less poverty = more patrons.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I look forward to your
response.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Cecil Touchon</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hi Joe,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>>>>We must be
allowed to produce value, but our</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>irrepressible desire to
express ourselves must be kept strictly under </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>control.<<<</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Allowed by who? Kept under
control by who?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Arial CYR"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial CYR"'>>>>Make revolution
irresistible. But most importantly, avoid making</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Arial CYR"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial CYR"'>capitalists richer by selling
them your labour (selling them your </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Arial CYR"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial CYR"'>product is ok).<<<</span></font></p>
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