<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">hi Andrew & Michel<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>if you read french ( I know you do michel), there's Gabriel Tarde's classic 'Psychologie économique' from 1904. I'm re-reading it now and he's really right on spot as to web 2.0, viral public opinion, the ways in which talent can be thought of as a socialized puissance, rather than an individual asset. Also Maurizio Lazzarato's writings on Tarde (La puissance de l'innovation) are a great guide. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>best</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>adam</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 28/apr/07, at 07:46, Michel Bauwens wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Hi Andrew,<BR><BR>not to directly answer your question, but I believe that the following books may shed useful light on the inner logic of the new peer production modes<BR><BR> - the hacker ethic, by Pekka Himanen, explain how the new professionals learn from each other <BR><BR> - the success of open source, by steven weber, describes in detail how open source projects produce together and are governned<BR><BR>Both of these will give you an inside view.<BR><BR>The key is, for projects that work around equipotential selection, i.e. no a priori filtering of talent, to find the right mode of a posteriori selectivity, i.e. processes of communal validation, that do not lead to lowest common denominator results, but select for quality.<BR><BR>These are matters of design and experience, and not essentialist matters, as every mode of production has strenghts and weakenesses, successes and failures, <BR><BR>Lots of books are listed here at<BR><A href="http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Books">http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Books</A><BR><BR>Links to the new work cultures and management theories at<BR><A href="http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Work-Culture"> http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Work-Culture</A><BR><BR>and <BR><A href="http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Management">http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Management</A><BR><BR>Michel<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 4/27/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Andrew Keen</B> <<A href="mailto:ak@aftertv.com">ak@aftertv.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I am interested in the idea of talent. Could people please suggest some<BR>good books on talent (something comprehensible that a fluffy<BR>manifesto-maker like me could understand)?<BR><BR><BR>R Labossiere wrote:<BR>> I wonder if I might redirect this topic slightly and if the list might <BR>> respond in a kind of "organized enquiry".<BR>><BR>> Preamble: Whether amateur or professional, lo or hi brow, there are<BR>> structures of validation in creative, cultural matters. As someone who <BR>> works within hi art structures of validation daily, I can assure you<BR>> that these structures are very much intact and not at all worried<BR>> about the Web, amateurs or any of that (rendering the so-called <BR>> "manifesto" of the imaginary "Mr. K" moot, and fluffy moot at that :)<BR>><BR>> Topic: What I'm wondering about is the relationship between validation<BR>> and what I'll call "agency," taken quite literally, in the sense of <BR>> talent or sports agents, where someone (or something) represents<BR>> another (the "talent"), managing their production toward the end of<BR>> maximizing opportunities and rewards.<BR>><BR>> Within virtual environments, agency can have a complicated <BR>> technological meaning (not my enquiry). For example, I am here<BR>> speaking to you, a learned group people I would not otherwise have met<BR>> because the list-serv software and methodology effectively acts as my <BR>> "agent", negotiating an opportunity for my "talent" to earn<BR>> "rewards." (now if it would only send you a bill! :)<BR>><BR>> Caveat: But that's not what I want to get at, or not entirely. I don't <BR>> want you to get bogged down in technology. I am interested in how<BR>> "agency" works in a broader sense, multiplying and accelerating<BR>> efficacy, creating "capital" as it were within all kinds of environments. <BR>><BR>> Questions:<BR>><BR>> At what pont does the creative person benefit from an agent? (Does<BR>> agency necessarily come only after success, when it is really about<BR>> success management rather than talent management?) <BR>><BR>> Would all artists (and all creative people actually) benefit from<BR>> "agents?"<BR>><BR>> What happens if everyone has an agent?<BR>><BR>> How do we determine who (or what) is the "best" agent? <BR>><BR>> Can "best" agents work equally for everyone without becoming "lesser"<BR>> agents?<BR>><BR>> If you know of other resources on this concept of "agency" it would be<BR> > great if you could let me know.<BR>><BR>> Thank you.<BR>><BR>> - Robert Labossiere<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed Creativity <BR>> (<A href="http://distributedcreativity.org">distributedcreativity.org</A>)<BR>> <A href="mailto:iDC@mailman.thing.net">iDC@mailman.thing.net</A><BR>> <A href="http://mailman.thing.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/idc"> http://mailman.thing.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/idc</A><BR>><BR>> List Archive:<BR>> <A href="http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/">http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/</A><BR>><BR>> iDC Photo Stream: <BR>> <A href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/</A><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed Creativity ( <A href="http://distributedcreativity.org">distributedcreativity.org</A>)<BR><A href="mailto:iDC@mailman.thing.net">iDC@mailman.thing.net</A><BR><A href="http://mailman.thing.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/idc">http://mailman.thing.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/idc </A><BR><BR>List Archive:<BR><A href="http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/">http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/</A><BR><BR>iDC Photo Stream:<BR><A href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/ </A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear="all"><BR>-- <BR>The P2P Foundation researches, documents and promotes peer to peer alternatives.<BR><BR>Wiki and Encyclopedia, at <A href="http://p2pfoundation.net">http://p2pfoundation.net </A>; 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