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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Reading the post below as well as numerous papers
on terms of service and so on in academic journals, i feel that
focusing on the actual literal terms of service or privacy when we discuss
ownership and content overshadows the more general problems with content
ownership and content structure in social media. I dont feel the problem with
all the user generated content living in commercialised social media spaces
should be approached as a contractual issue between users and companies. It is a
far more complicated and indeed far more abstract problem then that. The power
of a commercial company like facebook cannot be reduced to its power to provide
its users with the terms of use it wants. At the same time the actual terms of
service are sign of that power. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So i feel it woulld be usefull to contextualise
disussionss on contracts with discussions of the power of commercial media and
above all with debates on the structures of representations of social media and
the power to determine these. I understand this might seem obvious and self
evident but I think that its important to constantly reflect on commerial
power if we dont want to become to legalistic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To put this in user terms: that facebook wont allow
me to dislike something a friend has done, or that i cant have enemies
on my profile determines the content i will upload in ways more intersting
than the actual terms of service. And i think that we need to address such
determination at the same time as we address the problem of who owns my
content</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Korinna Patelis (<A
href="http://www.aueb.gr/users/patelis">www.aueb.gr/users/patelis</A></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>korinna </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=cbrubin@risd.edu href="mailto:cbrubin@risd.edu">Cynthia Beth
Rubin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=idc@mailman.thing.net
href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=cbrubin@risd.edu
href="mailto:cbrubin@risd.edu">Cynthia Beth Rubin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:56
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [iDC] Terms of Agreement: The
Internet as Playground and Factory</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span
face=Arial>I want to return to the issue of ownership of posts on web sites.
</FONT>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial>Would it be possible to use this
discussion to define reasonable terms of agreement for users on all social
networking sites? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial>I do believe that this is
possible, because of a real-life experience with changing Terms of Agreement.
The alumni association of Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio,
signed an agreement with iModules to provide a kind of "Facebook" experience
for those of us who are alums. When some of read the "Terms of
Agreement", it turned out that we agreeing to give everything away. Some
of us freaked and asked for new terms (we worked together to write them).
It worked. <SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(36,38,37)">Quite honestly, I suspect that the ridiculous
terms were written by attorneys with little understanding of social networking
sites. No one at iModules thought that we were wrong to ask for new
terms.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial color=#242625><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial color=#242625>Below are some
phrases from the current Terms of Agreement on the Antiochians.org site (our
alumni site -- and yes -- we are still in existence)</FONT></DIV>
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class=Apple-style-span style="webkit-text-stroke-width: -1">7. Content
submitted to this site</SPAN><BR><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial>We
do not assert any ownership over user content; rather, as between us and
you, subject to the rights granted to us in these Terms and Conditions, you
retain full ownership of all of your content and any intellectual property
rights or other proprietary rights associated with your content.</FONT><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(36,38,37)"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Arial> . .
. </FONT></SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(36,38,37); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">xxxxxxxxxx(lots of stand
stuff) - xxxxxxxxxxx</SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="webkit-text-stroke-width: -1">If you wish to grant other users or the
general public additional licenses to your content, you may include such
terms with your content such as:</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="webkit-text-stroke-width: -1">Usage granted under Creative Commons
License</SPAN><BR><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(36,38,37); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://creativecommons.org">http://creativecommons.org</A></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(36,38,37); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR></SPAN>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial color=#242625><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Arial color=#242625><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica"><SPAN
class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(36,38,37); FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cynthia Beth
Rubin</SPAN><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=Apple-style-span
style="COLOR: rgb(36,38,37); FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://CBRubin.net">http://CBRubin.net</A></SPAN><BR>
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