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<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><div>the concept of unity - cloud computing </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This message contains some of Peter Stephenson's comments along with a dialog (edited and shortened a bit) between Ken Ewell and John Sowa</div><div><br></div><div>Brief comments in <font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080">purple</font> by Paul Prueitt</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div>On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Peter R. Stephenson wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 15px; ">Cloud computing is just application service providing dressed up in a trendy new name. In cloud computing we simply allow multiple users to share applications and computing resources that are “in the cloud”. This simply is an extension of technologies that we have been using for decades: client-server, centralized mainframe, application sharing, Internet, intranet, etc. I do not see where a non-local aspect has anything to do with the basic definitions of Rosen simple or complex.</span></blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080">Paul> The non-locality is everywhere in natural systems and becomes visible when there is interaction, expressing both independence and interdependence - and this is the focus of Ken's expression regarding limitations of the current AI paradigm. (See below) The current IT/AI/scientific-reductionism paradigm seeks independence and seeks to avoid interdependence/interoperability (IT/AI seeks to avoid interdependence because computing does not know how to understand interdependence.) Mainstream, funded, science claims that non-locality is not important and does not actually exists.</font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080">The consequences of the mistake in avoiding understanding non-locality is stark. We end up stepping on each others toes, as the many current national crisis show. The environmental mess is a second example, where the law of un-intended consequence leads to crisis. </font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><br></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Peter R. Stephenson wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 15px; ">That said, if we separate the humans from the computers (and, as I pointed out earlier, there are times to do that, one of which is when one is analyzing the computing system itself) cloud computing systems are no more or less complex than any other computing system because they still are finite state machines. However, because, as Judith pointed out, they are not much use by themselves, from a practical perspective they become complex in use even though as they stand alone the are simple. </span></blockquote><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128); ">Paul></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080"> Tweet packet analysis involves looking at category aggregations and interpreting them. Tweets are generated not from the computer but from the humans. The computing platform is a communication medium. Our new web site <a href="http://www.mathTwitter.com">www.mathTwitter.com</a> will use the complete stratified paradigm to create a very simple web, cloud computing, platform that depends on these two non-local phenomenon. </font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">Over the next months, if my goals are meet, the sites <a href="http://www.myTwitterDeep.com">www.myTwitterDeep.com</a> and <a href="http://www.myTwitterLite.com">www.myTwitterLite.com</a> will explore this use of cloud computing to create both local and non-local processes for education. The function will greatly outperform the 600 M system, J-39, spent of tax payers money (2001 - 2004) to perform the same function, but now using the correct "stratified architecture". As I state in the foundational paper, Sowa, Ballard, Klausner, and Adi all have architectures that share common elements and will be revealed in the simplest form in the tweet analysis technology. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><div>On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:39 AM, Peter R. Stephenson wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 15px; ">What is very interesting – to your comment, Paul – is that the entire Iran conflict may be characterized by analyzing public messaging over a variety of social networking platforms, Twitter likely being the most prevalent. A deep analysis of tweets relating to this conflict might give a very clear picture of it. This is especially interesting because the Iran government is engaging in tweet spoofing as a means of introducing disinformation and misinformation into the mix.</span></blockquote><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128); font-family: Calibri; font-size: 15px; ">Paul> The people must use the tweet systems to by-pass and moderate the past entrenchments (including our own) and seek to find interoperability and collaboration before the pending strikes and counter strikes cause millions of deaths; or after these strikes as we try to deal with the consequences of independent bulling; seen in Iran and N Korea as well as in past US and UK governmental actions. We all must see the tipping point we are approaching and use non-locality to avoid, or it we do not avoid, to recover after the "main event". </span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">This is a war between localized arrogance and non-localizing striving for a sense of unity.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;">Now to John and Ken's discussion, which I post below. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#1F497D" face="Calibri" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></font></div></div></div></span></span></font></div></span></span></font><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">On Jun 22, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Ken Ewell wrote:</span></font></div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></font><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">KE> I advocate identifying the elements and operations necessary</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">> to distinguish a discrete and unified being --that the three year</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">> old must possess-- in order to recognize and unify the apparent</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">> objects with the sensuous impressions of her unified awareness.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">> You may be underestimating significance in the face of the subtle</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">> nature of such powers.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">JOHN> That's not a bad idea, and philosophers, psychologists, and other</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">scientists have been working toward that goal for millennia.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">But they're very far from having identified a sufficient set of</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">elements and operations to implement in our computer systems.</span></font></font></p></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">So far, John, the philosophers, psychologists, and other scientists have failed us as you say.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I am none of those and I am not a diplomat either, but I am a concerned and informed citizen of the world and I can speak more freely.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">In addition, as I consider you a modern-day living authority, and as you have plainly said they have failed to identify a sufficient set... I feel the question is an open one, and I, Paul, Tom Adi or anyone might be at liberty to propose a set of elements and operations to implement in our computer systems, should they be so inclined.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I am so inclined; being concerned about the failure you mentioned.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I am informed, as Paul mentioned, and I am accomplished and practiced in such matters as this.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span></font></p></blockquote><div><br></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080">Note</font><br><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">And also I fear that the boundlessness of your perspective (and that of IT/IS practitioners in general) cannot be driven, or drive one,</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">except into the boundlessness of endless schism. </span></font></font></p></blockquote><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080">Note end Paul's point precisely</font><br><br><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I feel certain that anyone can empathize and also see the evidence that my fears are not unfounded. Certainly Paul knows it, Tom knows it, and there are others.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">You must know it too, John.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">It seems to be a matter of interdependence John, and that does not yet fit into your independence assumption.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Though we are each bounded by time and space, I cannot seem to fit the concept of interdependent boundaries into your independence assumptions of knowledge and information.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">In effect you must abandon the notion of managing, governing and coordinating independent representations, objects or autonomous agents.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">In its place you must take up the notion of preserving the unity of purpose by way of affording those agents the coherence of unified interdependence --instead of forcing on them, an unnatural, costly and largely accidental independence.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p></blockquote><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128); ">Note</span><br><blockquote type="cite"> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Computer scientist, Dr. Tom Adi, has identified a sufficient set of elements, functions and semantic operations for accommodating the regularity and the interdependence (of the complex interactions) of the abstract, yet unified, system of phonemes and morphemes in a language, and interpreting the salience and relevance of compounding and other constructions in natural language expressions.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">He and I have implemented the model in complex computer systems and tested the system against others at NIST and DARPA sponsored events.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">At least one of those software systems, both unsupervised and unattended, detects changes, indexes, and manages the search and retrieval of hundreds of collections of millions of dynamically changing documents (of unstructured texts) distributed over thousand of geographically dispersed computers for about two-million daily users.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">One of those collections handles about eighty thousand queries per minute (at peak usage), non-stop, twenty-four seven.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">That's a lot more questions than a three year old can throw at you in a minute. This particular system has been running for eight years.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">On the occasion that a session, stream or data error causes a</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">failure in any part of the critical sections of memory process, it reports the cause, restarts processing and picks up on the next step where it left off.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">I believe that it is, in fact, unscientific to refuse to acknowledge or count Tom Adi's studies and results as significant to the field, and to completely ignore the not so minuscule and insignificant number of successful implementations of our software. To my mind, and to Paul's observation, it also smacks of</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">dishonesty, and at the very least, it is a despicable practice.</span></font></font></p></blockquote><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(128, 0, 128); ">Note end Paul's point is that funding has created an evaluation of government funded activities that is not based on objective measures, but on who has hidden political power. This has perverted our science and must be corrected see Resilience Project White Paper:</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080"><a href="http://www.ontologystream.com">http://www.ontologystream.com</a>/</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#800080"><br></font><blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">JOHN> </span>One of the proven methods for organizing computer systems effectively</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">is to make them modular.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">The simplest kind of modularity is the</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">subroutine, which leads to a very rigid and mechanistic structure</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">that bears little resemblance to the flexibility of any animal.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">The model of interacting agents has proved to be far more flexible,</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">but it raises the issues of control and coordination.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">As I was</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">trying to show in that paper, a hierarchy modeled after the kinds</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">of interactions among animals and among the cells of an animal,</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">exhibits the kind of unity and flexibility of a purposeful animal.</span></font></font></p> </blockquote><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">To my mind the kinds of interactions among animals are the effects of unifying processes.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">There are many sorts of organization and hierarchies. The unifying processes are reflected in the identity, essence and order, or the cosmology of the universe and they are among the organizational laws of nature.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Reward-driven behavior is a subset of goal-driven behavior, I am sure no one here is fooled into believing otherwise. Ben Goertzel of the Singularity Institute commented on how tricky it is and seems to have ruled it out as a mechanism for AI, on his blog.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">How about a model for interpreting the determinate objects and relations of the indeterminate situation, John?</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">What might be the purpose of learning --more significant of unifying one's own awareness about such a thing? </span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">We move upward from a state of ignorance to a state of unified awareness.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Intelligence and linguistic movement has always been "upward", from more intrinsic parts of a linguistic structure --from gestures, hoots, and calls, to sensible sounds and symbols-- say, and on to less embedded parts --its modern onslaught of referents and extensions (the same as movement expected along an ontogenetic trajectory for example).</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">This expresses in the intellectual traits, progression and development of language in children as I am sure you can agree.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">According to Tom Bever, (University of Arizona) every learnable language has a surface form and canonical mappings of that onto thematic relations, (related to Paul's stratified structures) to facilitate learning with a traditional hypothesis-and-test learning model (that sums up the character of Tom Adi's cognitive model). One can only suppose that it is necessary that thematic relations support the theme they purport to relate.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">What is the theme of a unified awareness if it is not the unity of being?</span></font></font></p></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: -1; ">JOHN> </span>"‘Being’ for Aristotle has also a unity, i.e. ‘focal meaning’, which coincides with substance, and substance has not only an ontological priority, but also a logical priority, in respect to the other beings, as was shown by G. E. L. Owen.". Proceedings of the Aristotelian Society, Volume 101, Number 2, Jan. 2001, p. 187</span></font></font></p></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">In Adi's model, thematic relationships are generated by the causal relations of the actions in time and space that appear to supervene on the more universal unifying processes. Yet, these unifying processes are beholding to the bijections of neither time nor space- they are beholding only to the enactment of the unity of being they coordinate and control in the extensions of the focal meaning of such being (according to a kind of extended projection principle).</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">For example, one might say that the focal meaning of a name is the /assignment/ of identity it entails; the focal meaning of an apparently salient object or activity is the essence of its /manifestation/ and occurrence within the boundaries of space or time, and; the focal meaning of unity is itself not complete without the negation and accommodation of /containment/.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">These are the unifying processes of Adi's model.</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">One can believe in the unity of being and in the example of their own unified personality. As well, one can believe in the utility of architectural design and purpose without harboring any covert teleology or religious fundamentalism.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Can't we agree on this?</span></font></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><font style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">You might also agree with the notion that projecting a unifying design and purpose for unity itself (using an extended projection principle as a kind of configuration filter on distant derivations) will cause the bearer of the purpose to yield (eventually) to the unifying processes of the purpose; to recognize and utilize the elements and operations afforded by the design to seek unity, and; (eventually) they will find it incumbent on themselves to keep to the boundaries for the temporal control and coordination of the unity of such an awareness, or predictably fail to achieve it.</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">And this not to touch the utility of it all!</span></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">This would obviously address issues of control and coordination, say, for determining relevance or salience in an indeterminate situation.</span></font></font></p> </blockquote><br></div><div><br></div><br></body></html>