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I don't think that it has to be either 'open for-profit' or 'dirty
corruption, vender backroom dealing, and other such nonsense' – in any
case behind the *appearance* of openness there is often a lot of
corporate lobbying and PR. Also there are other models of collaboration
and working together out there beyond these two (one thinks of the
cooperative/mutual organisations, unions, charities etc). I also could
not understand your comment that government had become 'for-profit'.
Without a doubt some aspects of government have been privatised, or
farmed out to the third sector, but I hardly think that one can claim
that the state operates in the *same* way as a private corporation.
But perhaps the current financial crisis represents the best concrete
example of the flaws in any claim for the superiority of for-profit
incentivisation... <br>
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Best<br>
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David<br>
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danah boyd wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Well, I would argue that MySpace and Facebook are just more honest
about their for-profit status than most government enterprises.
Personally, I'd rather see institutions incentivized by open for-
profit competition than dirty corruption, vender backroom dealing, and
other such nonsense. If you don't think that the government has become
for-profit, you're delusional. Or you haven't spent enough time on the
Hill.
On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Trebor Scholz wrote:
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<pre wrap="">"And this is just one aspect of what costs money inside large social
media operations. There are a lot more parallels to cities than one
might think. And just like it takes money to run the police force and
maintain the sewer system, it takes money to keep social media sites
functioning. Someone's gotta foot the bill."
Hi Danah,
Great to hear from you.
Well, you are right but that does not mean that no profit is being
made.
(We had that same discussion at the New School last year. )
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<pre wrap="">The operating costs of online intermediaries --and MySpace in
particular--
are considerable and while the
profits may not be as astronomical as analysts in Silicon Valley
may have
hoped, the corporate gains from the commoditization of networked
publics are
not a product of the imagination.
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<pre wrap="">Trebor
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