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LL gives all academic and not-for-profits a 50% discount on land/island purchases.<div>That is quite a discount. Most other cost (outside of advertizing) such as services, objects, scripts are sold by other SL members not by LL.</div><div>The pennies of upload costs for media do not deserve mention.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe LL should be a 'model citizen' and promote fair working conditions (I'm sure someone from LL is following this topic).</div><div>But (unless the transgressions are egregious) I do separate the company from the product they make.</div><div>While wondering myself if SL has stagnated in their development or made unwise turns in their management philosophy, I feel there is too much Linden-bashing in these posts. </div><div><br></div><div>So I feel compelled to come to the defense of SL:</div><div>To me SL is a wonderfully creative tool with a very low learning curve for basic tools. I do not expect Maya functionality in a real-time app. The camaraderie was mentioned already. SL brings together like-minded people across cultures (though anglo-american dominated). It is far from perfect, but it has much potential if the development keeps up with other virtual or social media platforms.</div><div><br></div><div>I find it actually quite a compromise between commercialism and altruism. I do not know of another platform with that extent of functionality, popularity, accessibility etc that has the option to be free of charge at a low level. I know WOW has free servers - but you do not own the assets, a hugely important aspect to me.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I have a laundry list of complaints - but bottom line LL provides me with a very affordable, creative tool that they support and develop. Of course they have to have commercial clients. It would be naive to think they could exists from just the artistic and academic community alone, such as Allan's $14 or my own frugal ways. In fact we are piggy-backing on the financing of the likes of IBM. </div><div><br></div><div>So let's play nice and share some of our ideas and playbor.</div><div>(For the record - nobody pays me to write this)</div><div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; 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"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; ">Best,</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; ">Mechthild Schmidt</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; 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"><br></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; color: rgb(126, 126, 126); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(126, 126, 126); font-size: 9px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(126, 126, 126); font-size: 9px; ">Mechthild Schmidt</span></span></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Degree coordinator, Clinical Associate Professor</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 12px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">on cost of climate bills: </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><b><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#941751">“... take into account ... the cost of inaction, which is the extinction of the human race. Period.”</font> </b> </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E"><i><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Kevin Parker, global head of </span></font></i><a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/deutsche_bank_ag/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Deutsche Bank AG"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#797979"><i><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Deutsche Bank</span></font></i></font></a><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#797979"><i><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "> </span></font></i></font><i><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">Asset Management, who tracks climate policy. </span></font></i></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E"><i><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; "><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/science/earth/09cost.html?th&emc=th">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/science/earth/09cost.html?th&emc=th</a></span></font></i></font></div></span></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#7E7E7E" size="1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 9px; ">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></font></div></span></span></font></div></span></span></font></div></span></span></font></div></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Jan 10, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Lynn Hershman wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The original linden folks were committed to the arts and offered student</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">art competition with not only free land but $5000.00 prizes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Also helped</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">in an installation at the Venice biennalle,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">San Jose tech museum and my installation at sf moma.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I am not sure if this continued when the new administrators<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>came in.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Simon Biggs wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I am not aware of Linden sponsoring any academic institutions or research</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">projects. However, they do make free land available for one off</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">time-limited</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">educational activities. I considered that as a taster to attract deeper</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(paying) involvement, but perhaps it is part of a larger marketing</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">strategy?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Best</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Simon</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Simon Biggs</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Research Professor</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">edinburgh college of art</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:s.biggs@eca.ac.uk">s.biggs@eca.ac.uk</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">www.eca.ac.uk</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">CIRCLE research group</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">www.eca.ac.uk/circle/</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:simon@littlepig.org.uk">simon@littlepig.org.uk</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">www.littlepig.org.uk</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: helen varley jamieson <<a href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:22:04 +1300</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: 'idc' <<a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a>></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: [iDC] The SL Unleashing.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">linden must also benefit enormously from all the academic research</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">that's been done into/around SL; i wonder, does linden fund/sponsor</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">anything, or are the universities/researchers paying for their land etc</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">as well as donating the research?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">helen</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:ricardo@ambriente.com">ricardo@ambriente.com</a> wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello Everyone,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm not on Second Life although I'm one of those people who created an</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">avatar long ago and didn't return to it.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm writing now, because when I read about critical artists using SL,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">dumbfounded by the lack of criticality toward Linden Lab, their</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">treatment</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">toward employees and that artists using SL are uncritically contributing</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to a commercial product with questionable ethics.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm largely writing from the position of an educator who has seen</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">talented, young students eagerly take jobs with Linden Lab only to be</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">overworked and underpaid - taken advantage of for lack of professional</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">experience.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Linden Lab has a history of hiring young talented college</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">graduates, paying them a low salary and demanding well over 8 hours a</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">day.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kids stick with the job, because they think it will lead them</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">somewhere.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I find this treatment of young artists entirely unethical.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>And it's</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">disappointing to here of critically engaged artists using a corporate</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">platform without a critical perspective toward the corporation that they</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">are playing tribute to by contributing to its environment and popularity</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">while it mistreats its employees.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">ricardo</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> </blockquote><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">____________________________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://www.creative-catalyst.com">http://www.creative-catalyst.com</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; 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