Hi all, <br><br>I just wanted to chime in quickly, because I'm swamped this week... Thanks for mentioning my work earlier, I really appreciate it. (and liz, i'm a she! ;-) ) Stephanie mentioned to me that I should pop in here and the discussion has been very engaging already. <br>
<br>It seems like this is often a problem new media artists are faced with, or i feel faced with, is wanting to engage a critique of technology by using that technology, and the danger of advertising that technology or being the avant-garde that leads to later commodification. I see often in San Diego these cheap little minicars with GPS audio tours of the city and think of how locative media has been commodified that way. Or the other day I bought my first online video through amazon because I couldn't find episode 12 of fringe anywhere else, and it was exactly like all the other sites, megavideo, etc, except with a $2 charge. In that case, the pirates totallypaved the way for a profitable service and amazon reaps the rewards. <br>
<br>So I often find people looking at my work and thinking I love second life or I'm promoting it in a way. But I still hope that I can subvert the original intention of these technologies for something I think is more ethical or positive. Like when I used an HMD in my performance, all the ad's for HMD's are military guys training for warfare, not transgender / transexual people developing new genders. Or similarly with the Transborder Immigrant Tool, I think we're using the GPS system, deployed by the US military, to subvert borders, not exactly their intended use. <br>
<br>I have a lot of strong critiques of linden labs, but my hope is that they're just the AOL before the Internet, as I wrote in this series of articles:<br><br><a href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/01/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-1/">http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/01/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-1/</a><br>
<a href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/08/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-2/">http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/08/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-2/</a><br><a href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/15/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-3/">http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/15/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-3/</a><br>
<br>and that soon we can all move towards opensim and a distributed, more "democratic" or horizontal metaverse where we control the servers and all kinds of new possibilities will open up. <br><br>Until then, I still use SL largely for a question of audience. Its hard enough to get people to an event in SL, I think (and when they do show up the sim crashes), than to get them to reconfigure their viewer to log in to Opensim. <br>
<br>I just try, when I talk about my work, to talk about the critiques, how SL can be a space of freedom with regards to gender or bodies, but it can also be a space of hyper racism and sexism without consequences, and it can be a great space to build your dreams for fee, but it is also a hyper commodified space where most people buy everything including their eyes and skin. But of course no medium is without problems, or platform, I guess a big part of the question is how well our work brings the inherent inconsistencies/contradictions/conflicts/joys in things to life...<br>
<br>Ok, once I get through more of this week I'll chime in on the discussion of DAC...<br><br>Thanks!!!<br><br> micha<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/1/11 Mechthild Schmidt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mschmidt@nyc.rr.com">mschmidt@nyc.rr.com</a>></span><br>
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LL gives all academic and not-for-profits a 50% discount on land/island purchases.<div>That is quite a discount. Most other cost (outside of advertizing) such as services, objects, scripts are sold by other SL members not by LL.</div>
<div>The pennies of upload costs for media do not deserve mention.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe LL should be a 'model citizen' and promote fair working conditions (I'm sure someone from LL is following this topic).</div>
<div>But (unless the transgressions are egregious) I do separate the company from the product they make.</div><div>While wondering myself if SL has stagnated in their development or made unwise turns in their management philosophy, I feel there is too much Linden-bashing in these posts. </div>
<div><br></div><div>So I feel compelled to come to the defense of SL:</div><div>To me SL is a wonderfully creative tool with a very low learning curve for basic tools. I do not expect Maya functionality in a real-time app. The camaraderie was mentioned already. SL brings together like-minded people across cultures (though anglo-american dominated). It is far from perfect, but it has much potential if the development keeps up with other virtual or social media platforms.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I find it actually quite a compromise between commercialism and altruism. I do not know of another platform with that extent of functionality, popularity, accessibility etc that has the option to be free of charge at a low level. I know WOW has free servers - but you do not own the assets, a hugely important aspect to me.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Yes, I have a laundry list of complaints - but bottom line LL provides me with a very affordable, creative tool that they support and develop. Of course they have to have commercial clients. It would be naive to think they could exists from just the artistic and academic community alone, such as Allan's $14 or my own frugal ways. In fact we are piggy-backing on the financing of the likes of IBM. </div>
<div><br></div><div>So let's play nice and share some of our ideas and playbor.</div><div>(For the record - nobody pays me to write this)</div><div><br><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; 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<font color="#7e7e7e" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9px;">on cost of climate bills: </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><font color="#7e7e7e" size="1"><span style="font-size: 9px;"><b><font color="#941751">“... take into account ... the cost of inaction, which is the extinction of the human race. Period.”</font> </b> </span></font></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><font color="#7e7e7e"><i><font size="1"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Kevin Parker, global head of </span></font></i><a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/deutsche_bank_ag/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Deutsche Bank AG" target="_blank"><font color="#797979"><i><font size="1"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Deutsche Bank</span></font></i></font></a><font color="#797979"><i><font size="1"><span style="font-size: 9px;"> </span></font></i></font><i><font size="1"><span style="font-size: 9px;">Asset Management, who tracks climate policy. </span></font></i></font></div>
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<div><div>On Jan 10, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Lynn Hershman wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px;">The original linden folks were committed to the arts and offered student</div><div style="margin: 0px;">
art competition with not only free land but $5000.00 prizes.<span> </span>Also helped</div><div style="margin: 0px;">in an installation at the Venice biennalle,</div><div style="margin: 0px;">San Jose tech museum and my installation at sf moma.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">I am not sure if this continued when the new administrators<span> </span>came in.</div><div style="margin: 0px;">Simon Biggs wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px;">I am not aware of Linden sponsoring any academic institutions or research</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">projects. However, they do make free land available for one off</div><div style="margin: 0px;">time-limited</div><div style="margin: 0px;">educational activities. I considered that as a taster to attract deeper</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">(paying) involvement, but perhaps it is part of a larger marketing</div><div style="margin: 0px;">strategy?</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Best</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Simon</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">
Simon Biggs</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Research Professor</div><div style="margin: 0px;">edinburgh college of art</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><a href="mailto:s.biggs@eca.ac.uk" target="_blank">s.biggs@eca.ac.uk</a></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><a href="http://www.eca.ac.uk" target="_blank">www.eca.ac.uk</a></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">CIRCLE research group</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><a href="http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/" target="_blank">www.eca.ac.uk/circle/</a></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">
<a href="mailto:simon@littlepig.org.uk" target="_blank">simon@littlepig.org.uk</a></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><a href="http://www.littlepig.org.uk" target="_blank">www.littlepig.org.uk</a></div><div style="margin: 0px;">
AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">From: helen varley jamieson <<a href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com" target="_blank">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a>></div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com" target="_blank">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a>></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:22:04 +1300</div><div style="margin: 0px;">
To: 'idc' <<a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net" target="_blank">idc@mailman.thing.net</a>></div><div style="margin: 0px;">Subject: Re: [iDC] The SL Unleashing.</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;">
<br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">linden must also benefit enormously from all the academic research</div><div style="margin: 0px;">that's been done into/around SL; i wonder, does linden fund/sponsor</div><div style="margin: 0px;">
anything, or are the universities/researchers paying for their land etc</div><div style="margin: 0px;">as well as donating the research?</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">
helen</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;"><a href="mailto:ricardo@ambriente.com" target="_blank">ricardo@ambriente.com</a> wrote:</div> <blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px;">
Hello Everyone,</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">I'm not on Second Life although I'm one of those people who created an</div><div style="margin: 0px;">avatar long ago and didn't return to it.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">I'm writing now, because when I read about critical artists using SL,</div><div style="margin: 0px;">I'm</div><div style="margin: 0px;">
dumbfounded by the lack of criticality toward Linden Lab, their</div><div style="margin: 0px;">treatment</div><div style="margin: 0px;">toward employees and that artists using SL are uncritically contributing</div><div style="margin: 0px;">
to a commercial product with questionable ethics.</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">I'm largely writing from the position of an educator who has seen</div><div style="margin: 0px;">
talented, young students eagerly take jobs with Linden Lab only to be</div><div style="margin: 0px;">overworked and underpaid - taken advantage of for lack of professional</div><div style="margin: 0px;">experience.<span> </span>Linden Lab has a history of hiring young talented college</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">graduates, paying them a low salary and demanding well over 8 hours a</div><div style="margin: 0px;">day.</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><span> </span>Kids stick with the job, because they think it will lead them</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">somewhere.</div><div style="margin: 0px;">I find this treatment of young artists entirely unethical.<span> </span>And it's</div><div style="margin: 0px;">disappointing to here of critically engaged artists using a corporate</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">platform without a critical perspective toward the corporation that they</div><div style="margin: 0px;">are playing tribute to by contributing to its environment and popularity</div><div style="margin: 0px;">
while it mistreats its employees.</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px;">ricardo</div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;">
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