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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="95%"><B>From: </B>Dick Dillon <<a href="ddillon@pfh.org">ddillon@pfh.org</a>><BR>
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<B>Date: </B>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:50:10 -0600<BR>
<B>To: </B>'Mechthild Schmidt' <<a href="mschmidt@nyc.rr.com">mschmidt@nyc.rr.com</a>>, 'micha cardenas / azdel slade' <<a href="azdelslade@gmail.com">azdelslade@gmail.com</a>><BR>
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<B>Subject: </B>Re: [iDC] The SL Unleashing.<BR>
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In the meantime, we are pursuing our more serious projects, which don’t really require access to the “greater SL user community” on Reaction Grid.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>Your experience with LL bureaucracy is not what I would have expected. My supportive mail was based on small to mid-scale student projects, my own art work and my general support of open source and the community it fosters. None of my uses require extensive research - <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:34 PM, micha cardenas / azdel slade wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I forgot to add, but wanted to share, about the university/artist pricing... To be totally safe, let's say that I have a close friend who recently started working on a project with a local medical school to do simulations for hospitals of expensive things like evacuations and difficult things like pandemic virus outbreaks. Their group was in discussion with linden labs about getting a grid/nebraska server, but it was hugely expensive (55k) and the restrictions were outrageous. Not only were they not allowed to even have access to the command line on the machine or install any software, they said they were responsible for backup (how, if we can't install backup software or access the database???) because they were "likely" to lose all of our data (scripts and objects) any time there was a software upgrade. They also worded the contract so that they own any "derivative works" and the group owns "artistic output" but were very vague about what that meant, only saying that "artistic output" means video, images and sounds, but refusing to say that the group owns what they'd actually be spending most of their time building, scripts and objects. After that insane debacle they decided to put our energy into researching opensim and that's where they're headed now. <BR>
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I could go on and on, but that would bore you, and it was totally clear that linden labs is only interested in building up a walled garden, and they treat corporate/educational customers with their own grid machines the same as opensim, as a terrifying "outside" to be kept as separate as possible. <BR>
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2010/1/11 micha cardenas / azdel slade <<a href="azdelslade@gmail.com">azdelslade@gmail.com</a>><BR>
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I just wanted to chime in quickly, because I'm swamped this week... Thanks for mentioning my work earlier, I really appreciate it. (and liz, i'm a she! ;-) ) Stephanie mentioned to me that I should pop in here and the discussion has been very engaging already. <BR>
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It seems like this is often a problem new media artists are faced with, or i feel faced with, is wanting to engage a critique of technology by using that technology, and the danger of advertising that technology or being the avant-garde that leads to later commodification. I see often in San Diego these cheap little minicars with GPS audio tours of the city and think of how locative media has been commodified that way. Or the other day I bought my first online video through amazon because I couldn't find episode 12 of fringe anywhere else, and it was exactly like all the other sites, megavideo, etc, except with a $2 charge. In that case, the pirates totallypaved the way for a profitable service and amazon reaps the rewards. <BR>
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So I often find people looking at my work and thinking I love second life or I'm promoting it in a way. But I still hope that I can subvert the original intention of these technologies for something I think is more ethical or positive. Like when I used an HMD in my performance, all the ad's for HMD's are military guys training for warfare, not transgender / transexual people developing new genders. Or similarly with the Transborder Immigrant Tool, I think we're using the GPS system, deployed by the US military, to subvert borders, not exactly their intended use. <BR>
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I have a lot of strong critiques of linden labs, but my hope is that they're just the AOL before the Internet, as I wrote in this series of articles:<BR>
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and that soon we can all move towards opensim and a distributed, more "democratic" or horizontal metaverse where we control the servers and all kinds of new possibilities will open up. <BR>
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Until then, I still use SL largely for a question of audience. Its hard enough to get people to an event in SL, I think (and when they do show up the sim crashes), than to get them to reconfigure their viewer to log in to Opensim. <BR>
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I just try, when I talk about my work, to talk about the critiques, how SL can be a space of freedom with regards to gender or bodies, but it can also be a space of hyper racism and sexism without consequences, and it can be a great space to build your dreams for fee, but it is also a hyper commodified space where most people buy everything including their eyes and skin. But of course no medium is without problems, or platform, I guess a big part of the question is how well our work brings the inherent inconsistencies/contradictions/conflicts/joys in things to life...<BR>
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Ok, once I get through more of this week I'll chime in on the discussion of DAC...<BR>
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2010/1/11 Mechthild Schmidt <<a href="mschmidt@nyc.rr.com">mschmidt@nyc.rr.com</a>><BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>But (unless the transgressions are egregious) I do separate the company from the product they make.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>While wondering myself if SL has stagnated in their development or made unwise turns in their management philosophy, I feel there is too much Linden-bashing in these posts. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>So I feel compelled to come to the defense of SL:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>To me SL is a wonderfully creative tool with a very low learning curve for basic tools. I do not expect Maya functionality in a real-time app. The camaraderie was mentioned already. SL brings together like-minded people across cultures (though anglo-american dominated). It is far from perfect, but it has much potential if the development keeps up with other virtual or social media platforms.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>Yes, I have a laundry list of complaints - but bottom line LL provides me with a very affordable, creative tool that they support and develop. Of course they have to have commercial clients. It would be naive to think they could exists from just the artistic and academic community alone, such as Allan's $14 or my own frugal ways. In fact we are piggy-backing on the financing of the likes of IBM. <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I am not aware of Linden sponsoring any academic institutions or research<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>educational activities. I considered that as a taster to attract deeper<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>(paying) involvement, but perhaps it is part of a larger marketing<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>Simon Biggs<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'><a href="s.biggs@eca.ac.uk">s.biggs@eca.ac.uk</a><BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>www.eca.ac.uk <<a href="http://www.eca.ac.uk">http://www.eca.ac.uk</a>> <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ <<a href="http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/">http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/</a>> <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>From: helen varley jamieson <<a href="helen@creative-catalyst.com">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a>><BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:22:04 +1300<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>To: 'idc' <<a href="idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a>><BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>Subject: Re: [iDC] The SL Unleashing.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'> <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>linden must also benefit enormously from all the academic research<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>that's been done into/around SL; i wonder, does linden fund/sponsor<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>anything, or are the universities/researchers paying for their land etc<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>as well as donating the research?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>helen<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'><a href="ricardo@ambriente.com">ricardo@ambriente.com</a> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>Hello Everyone,<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I'm not on Second Life although I'm one of those people who created an<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>avatar long ago and didn't return to it.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I'm writing now, because when I read about critical artists using SL,<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>dumbfounded by the lack of criticality toward Linden Lab, their<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>treatment<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>to a commercial product with questionable ethics.<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'> <BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I'm largely writing from the position of an educator who has seen<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>overworked and underpaid - taken advantage of for lack of professional<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>experience. Linden Lab has a history of hiring young talented college<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>graduates, paying them a low salary and demanding well over 8 hours a<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'> Kids stick with the job, because they think it will lead them<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>somewhere.<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I find this treatment of young artists entirely unethical. And it's<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>disappointing to here of critically engaged artists using a corporate<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>platform without a critical perspective toward the corporation that they<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><BR>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>are playing tribute to by contributing to its environment and popularity<BR>
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