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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As I watch, bemused, the unfolding of SL Enterprise –
which seems to be to be at best half-baked – my biggest concern is that
the creation of this expensive option might ultimately result in LL withdrawing
the support they have proffered to non-profits and educational institutions via
discounted rates for island sims and services. I hope that will not be the
ultimate end. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In the meantime, we are pursuing our more serious projects,
which don’t really require access to the “greater SL user community”
on Reaction Grid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net
[mailto:idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mechthild Schmidt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> micha cardenas / azdel slade<br>
<b>Cc:</b> idc<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [iDC] The SL Unleashing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Micha and list,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Your experience with LL bureaucracy is not what I would have
expected. My supportive mail was based on small to mid-scale student projects,
my own art work and my general support of open source and the community it
fosters. None of my uses require extensive research - <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>... So I humbly adjust my view on LL support of academia.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Mechthild Schmidt</span></span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 12, 2010, at 2:34 PM, micha cardenas / azdel slade
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I forgot to add, but wanted to
share, about the university/artist pricing... To be totally safe, let's say
that I have a close friend who recently started working on a project with a
local medical school to do simulations for hospitals of expensive things like
evacuations and difficult things like pandemic virus outbreaks. Their group was
in discussion with linden labs about getting a grid/nebraska server, but
it was hugely expensive (55k) and the restrictions were outrageous. Not only
were they not allowed to even have access to the command line on the machine or
install any software, they said they were responsible for backup (how, if we
can't install backup software or access the database???) because they were
"likely" to lose all of our data (scripts and objects) any time there
was a software upgrade. They also worded the contract so that they own any
"derivative works" and the group owns "artistic output" but
were very vague about what that meant, only saying that "artistic output"
means video, images and sounds, but refusing to say that the group owns what
they'd actually be spending most of their time building, scripts and objects.
After that insane debacle they decided to put our energy into researching
opensim and that's where they're headed now. <br>
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I could go on and on, but that would bore you, and it was totally clear that
linden labs is only interested in building up a walled garden, and they treat
corporate/educational customers with their own grid machines the same as
opensim, as a terrifying "outside" to be kept as separate as
possible. <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2010/1/11 micha cardenas / azdel slade <<a
href="mailto:azdelslade@gmail.com">azdelslade@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi all, <br>
<br>
I just wanted to chime in quickly, because I'm swamped this week... Thanks for
mentioning my work earlier, I really appreciate it. (and liz, i'm a she!
;-) ) Stephanie mentioned to me that I should pop in here and the
discussion has been very engaging already. <br>
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It seems like this is often a problem new media artists are faced with, or i
feel faced with, is wanting to engage a critique of technology by using that
technology, and the danger of advertising that technology or being the
avant-garde that leads to later commodification. I see often in San Diego these
cheap little minicars with GPS audio tours of the city and think of how
locative media has been commodified that way. Or the other day I bought my
first online video through amazon because I couldn't find episode 12 of fringe
anywhere else, and it was exactly like all the other sites, megavideo, etc,
except with a $2 charge. In that case, the pirates totallypaved the way for a
profitable service and amazon reaps the rewards. <br>
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So I often find people looking at my work and thinking I love second life or
I'm promoting it in a way. But I still hope that I can subvert the original
intention of these technologies for something I think is more ethical or
positive. Like when I used an HMD in my performance, all the ad's for HMD's are
military guys training for warfare, not transgender / transexual people
developing new genders. Or similarly with the Transborder Immigrant Tool, I
think we're using the GPS system, deployed by the US military, to subvert
borders, not exactly their intended use. <br>
<br>
I have a lot of strong critiques of linden labs, but my hope is that they're
just the AOL before the Internet, as I wrote in this series of articles:<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/01/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-1/"
target="_blank">http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/01/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-1/</a><br>
<a
href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/08/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-2/"
target="_blank">http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/08/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-2/</a><br>
<a
href="http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/15/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-3/"
target="_blank">http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/08/15/_a-warcry-for-birthing-synthetic-worlds_-part-3/</a><br>
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and that soon we can all move towards opensim and a distributed, more
"democratic" or horizontal metaverse where we control the servers and
all kinds of new possibilities will open up. <br>
<br>
Until then, I still use SL largely for a question of audience. Its hard enough
to get people to an event in SL, I think (and when they do show up the sim
crashes), than to get them to reconfigure their viewer to log in to Opensim. <br>
<br>
I just try, when I talk about my work, to talk about the critiques, how SL can
be a space of freedom with regards to gender or bodies, but it can also be a
space of hyper racism and sexism without consequences, and it can be a great
space to build your dreams for fee, but it is also a hyper commodified space
where most people buy everything including their eyes and skin. But of course
no medium is without problems, or platform, I guess a big part of the question
is how well our work brings the inherent
inconsistencies/contradictions/conflicts/joys in things to life...<br>
<br>
Ok, once I get through more of this week I'll chime in on the discussion of
DAC...<br>
<br>
Thanks!!!<br>
<br>
micha<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2010/1/11 Mechthild Schmidt <<a
href="mailto:mschmidt@nyc.rr.com" target="_blank">mschmidt@nyc.rr.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>LL gives all academic and not-for-profits a 50% discount on
land/island purchases.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>That is quite a discount. Most other cost (outside of
advertizing) such as services, objects, scripts are sold by other SL members
not by LL.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The pennies of upload costs for media do not deserve
mention.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I believe LL should be a 'model citizen' and promote fair
working conditions (I'm sure someone from LL is following this topic).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>But (unless the transgressions are egregious) I do separate
the company from the product they make.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>While wondering myself if SL has stagnated in their development
or made unwise turns in their management philosophy, I feel there is too much
Linden-bashing in these posts. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So I feel compelled to come to the defense of SL:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To me SL is a wonderfully creative tool with a very low
learning curve for basic tools. I do not expect Maya functionality in a
real-time app. The camaraderie was mentioned already. SL brings together
like-minded people across cultures (though anglo-american dominated). It
is far from perfect, but it has much potential if the development keeps up with
other virtual or social media platforms.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I find it actually quite a compromise between commercialism
and altruism. I do not know of another platform with that extent of
functionality, popularity, accessibility etc that has the option to be free of
charge at a low level. I know WOW has free servers - but you do not own the
assets, a hugely important aspect to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes, I have a laundry list of complaints - but bottom line
LL provides me with a very affordable, creative tool that they support and
develop. Of course they have to have commercial clients. It would be naive to
think they could exists from just the artistic and academic community alone,
such as Allan's $14 or my own frugal ways. In fact we are piggy-backing on the
financing of the likes of IBM. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So let's play nice and share some of our ideas and playbor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>(For the record - nobody pays me to write this)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Mechthild Schmidt</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#7E7E7E'>Mechthild Schmidt</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#7E7E7E'>Degree coordinator, Clinical Associate Professor</span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#7E7E7E'>Digital Communications and Media</span><span style='font-size:
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color:#7E7E7E'>McGhee Division, New York University</span><span
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color:#7E7E7E'>726 Broadway, #669</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
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color:#7E7E7E'>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#7E7E7E'>on cost of climate bills: </span><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#941751'>“... take into account ... the cost of inaction, which is
the extinction of the human race. Period.”</span></b><b><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'> </span></b><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'> </span><span
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color:#7E7E7E'>Kevin Parker, global head of </span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'><a
href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/deutsche_bank_ag/index.html?inline=nyt-org"
target="_blank" title="More information about Deutsche Bank AG"><i><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#797979'>Deutsche Bank</span></i></a></span><i><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#797979'> </span></i><i><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'>Asset
Management, who tracks climate policy. </span></i><span style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#7E7E7E'><a
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/science/earth/09cost.html?th&emc=th"
target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/science/earth/09cost.html?th&emc=th</a></span></i><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#7E7E7E'>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 10, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Lynn Hershman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>The original linden folks were committed to the arts and
offered student<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>art competition with not only free land but $5000.00
prizes. Also helped<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>in an installation at the Venice biennalle,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>San Jose tech museum and my installation at sf moma.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I am not sure if this continued when the new administrators
came in.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Simon Biggs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I am not aware of Linden sponsoring any academic
institutions or research<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>projects. However, they do make free land available for one
off<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>time-limited<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>educational activities. I considered that as a taster to
attract deeper<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>(paying) involvement, but perhaps it is part of a larger
marketing<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>strategy?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Best<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Simon<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Simon Biggs<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Research Professor<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>edinburgh college of art<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:s.biggs@eca.ac.uk" target="_blank">s.biggs@eca.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.eca.ac.uk" target="_blank">www.eca.ac.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative
Environments<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>CIRCLE research group<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/" target="_blank">www.eca.ac.uk/circle/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:simon@littlepig.org.uk" target="_blank">simon@littlepig.org.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.littlepig.org.uk" target="_blank">www.littlepig.org.uk</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>From: helen varley jamieson <<a
href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com" target="_blank">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com"
target="_blank">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:22:04 +1300<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>To: 'idc' <<a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net"
target="_blank">idc@mailman.thing.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [iDC] The SL Unleashing.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>linden must also benefit enormously from all the academic
research<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>that's been done into/around SL; i wonder, does linden
fund/sponsor<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>anything, or are the universities/researchers paying for
their land etc<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>as well as donating the research?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>helen<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ricardo@ambriente.com" target="_blank">ricardo@ambriente.com</a>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Hello Everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I'm not on Second Life although I'm one of those people who
created an<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>avatar long ago and didn't return to it.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I'm writing now, because when I read about critical artists
using SL,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I'm<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>dumbfounded by the lack of criticality toward Linden Lab,
their<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>treatment<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>toward employees and that artists using SL are uncritically
contributing<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>to a commercial product with questionable ethics.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I'm largely writing from the position of an educator who has
seen<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>talented, young students eagerly take jobs with Linden Lab
only to be<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>overworked and underpaid - taken advantage of for lack of
professional<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>experience. Linden Lab has a history of hiring young
talented college<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>graduates, paying them a low salary and demanding well over
8 hours a<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>day.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> Kids stick with the job, because they think it will
lead them<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>somewhere.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>I find this treatment of young artists entirely unethical.
And it's<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>disappointing to here of critically engaged artists using a
corporate<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>platform without a critical perspective toward the
corporation that they<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>are playing tribute to by contributing to its environment
and popularity<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>while it mistreats its employees.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>ricardo<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:helen@creative-catalyst.com" target="_blank">helen@creative-catalyst.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.creative-catalyst.com" target="_blank">http://www.creative-catalyst.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Creativity<o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank">http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.culture.media.idc</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2457237647</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in
Scotland, number<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>SC009201<o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank">http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.culture.media.idc</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2457237647</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Lecturer, Visual Arts Department, University of California, San Diego<br>
Artist/Researcher, Experimental Game Lab, <a
href="http://experimentalgamelab.net" target="_blank">http://experimentalgamelab.net</a><br>
Calit2 Researcher, <a href="http://bang.calit2.net" target="_blank">http://bang.calit2.net</a><br>
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blog: <a href="http://transreal.org" target="_blank">http://transreal.org</a><br>
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micha cárdenas / azdel slade<br>
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Lecturer, Visual Arts Department, University of California, San Diego<br>
Artist/Researcher, Experimental Game Lab, <a
href="http://experimentalgamelab.net">http://experimentalgamelab.net</a><br>
Calit2 Researcher, <a href="http://bang.calit2.net">http://bang.calit2.net</a><br>
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blog: <a href="http://transreal.org">http://transreal.org</a><br>
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