Hi all, <div><br></div><div>I'm micha cárdenas, an artist and theorist who lives in LA (recently relocated from san diego) and works with Liz Losh at Sixth College. As she invited our core team there to join this discussion, I jumped in here and found Eric's comments very compelling and relevant to my own experiences. Still, I only offer a few scattered thoughts. </div>
<div><br></div><div>One is that a group I've worked with in the past, Artivistic [<a href="http://artivistic.org">http://artivistic.org</a>] is also working on thinking through the many problems with the conference/event/festival format, not only with regards sustainability questions, but also questions about how to move beyond discussions towards the possibility of long term community engagement and change. <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; "><em style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 12px; font-weight: inherit; font-style: italic; font-family: inherit; ">Promiscuous Infrastructures, </em></span>their current project, came out of the TURN*ON festival about art and activism dealing with sex and gender that I (remotely) helped them curate and organize. We felt that the event didn't live up to our expectations in a number of ways but one of those was the lack of local community engagement that comes from having artists, activists and theorists flown into a city for a few days. The question of how do we move beyond activist/artist tourism and towards more constructive work with people we may want to work with from around the globe is certainly a difficult one, and one attempt they are taking (i'm not really involved in the collective any longer, due largely to distance) is to move towards a residency and workshop model away from a 3 day event model. </div>
<meta charset="utf-8"><div><br></div><div>This discussion also reminds me of something lev manovich tweeted a few days ago:</div><div><br></div><div><meta charset="utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px; line-height: 22px; "><div class="tweet-row" style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, 'Liberation Sans', FreeSans, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; display: block; position: relative; line-height: 15px; ">
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But more specifically, what I would have liked to discuss at MobilityShifts (i won't be attending as I can't afford the mobility) is the Transborder Immigrant Tool, a project I've been working on for a few years with the Electronic Disturbance Theater 2.0 to turn cheap cell phones off of ebay into life saving devices that provide physical and poetic sustenance. The project centers around a java app written by Brett Stalbaum that allows users to access the gps functions of the phones without service. </div>
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With this project, we're very much interested in what the *particle group* has called "Science of the Oppressed", that is developing lines of flight an trajectories of thought and technological trajectories driven by the needs and desires of oppressed groups including migrants, women and queer and trans people. A main goal of ours has been to make the technology low tech enough that it could work on very inexpensive phones that we could buy in bulk and then distribute. I think that there are certainly huge economic issues at play in the ElectroSmog conference described below that are only hinted at. Who can afford the bandwidth, the better machines, speakers, etc? Who can afford to go to universities to get into art programs and new media art institutions? Who is encouraged throughout childhood to be good at art and science and who is encouraged to go into the military, or prison, or the kitchen? And certainly these economic issues are tightly bound up in the US with questions of race, class and gender and that is where a lot of my own interest lies, in those intersections, between say immigration or transnational experiences and transgender experiences?</div>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in; "><font color="#000000"><font><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I want to clarify, though, that I'm not advocating a view of digital literacy based in a simple idea of the “digital divide”, which I feel is an oversimplification, as it
reifies the kinds of social exclusion that technology reproduces and
recreates along lines of race, class, gender and ability and simply
reduces the question to one of economics. In contrast, thinking about
the work of people like authors in the netporn studies reader [ <a href="http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/portal/publications/inc-readers/the-art-and-politics-of-netporn/">http://networkcultures.org/wpmu/portal/publications/inc-readers/the-art-and-politics-of-netporn/</a> ] or like Danah Boyd's about class and racial divides in
MySpace, Facebook and Flickr, one can see how marginalized groups use
social media platforms as rich sites of intellectual production of
language (i.e. Lolz, ROFLMAO or ke$ha), of image vernaculars (i.e. porn sharing sites or MySpace comment feeds that are impossible to load) and of systems of
knowledge necessary for survival (i.e. transgender voice changing
tutorial videos). </font></font></font>
</p></div></div></span></div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, I think the soft telepresence you're talking about below supports Salen and Zimmerman's idea of social immersion that Tom Boellstorff applied to Second Life in Coming of Age in Second Life. My own experiments with more immersive technologies like motion capture and stereoscopy have shown me their limitations for long term use, and as they malfunction they drastically interfere with human connection. In the short term, though, I think that such technologies can certainly add layers of embodied expressivity that can enhance immersion, such as an HMD with head tracking that allows you to look at another avatar and have them know you're looking at them, or my more recent work with Elle Mehrmand using biometrics in which the person you're communicating with can know even more about you that someone who's in the room, such as exactly when your heart rate or body temperature changes. </div>
<div><br></div><div>thanks all, </div><div><br></div><div> micha<br><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/18 Eric Kluitenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:epk@xs4all.nl">epk@xs4all.nl</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello IDC'ers,<br>
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I've been asked to expand somewhat on my introduction and the concerns that I would like to bring to the Mobility Shifts conference, and would like to follow up on some things I hinted at earlier in my introduction. The main scope is to raise some critical issues about certain assumptions in telepresence practices and research, based on the ambivalent outcomes of the radical ElectroSmog festival format (march 2010), and indicate possibly valuable insights that may be gained from that for tele-connected learning (even though they do not originate from a strictly educational context).<br>
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To find an explanation I identified three elements that could explain the failure of the tele-connected experience: Encounter, Belonging and Identification.<br>
Again quoting from Distance versus Desire: "Still, more important for the ultimate failure of the telepresence ideology is that it denies the libidinal drive for encounter, belonging, and identification that is so important for a successful staging of a public event such as an arts and culture festival.There is also a sobering lesson for curators that excellent content and contributors as such do not translate into public success. The desire for sharing the space with others and with the influential in a particular social circle or figuration, is a much stronger motor it seems for public appeal. Remoteness, one of the themes in the festival, cannot be so easily transcended in the telepresence scenario as hoped for."<br>
(Full text is a.o. here: <a href="http://www.electrosmogfestival.net/2010/11/28/distance-versus-desire-clearing-the-electrosmog/" target="_blank">www.electrosmogfestival.net/2010/11/28/distance-versus-desire-clearing-the-electrosmog/</a> )<br>
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The assumption here is that the drive for encounter is primarily libidinal and that the denial of the desire for actual encounter, sharing a space, being part of a social figuration is to some extent displaced by communication technologies by conjuring up a largely phantasmatic image that covers up the lack of the affordances of physical encounter. The communication devices and connection technologies are, however, never able to displace this desire. entirely The remaining surplus desire actually serves to intensify the longing for encounter rather than diminish it, leading to a point of crisis where the phantasmatic image of tele-connection breaks down and people quite literally start up the engines of their cars.<br>
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I would finally like to distinguish between "hard telepresence" and "soft telepresence", analogous to hard and soft AI. The hard variant insists that the full scope of human experience involved in physical encounter can be replaced by a teleconnection (by advanced interfaces, full immersion, HD quality projection, virtual walls (Cisco) and so on), while the soft variant simply looks for practical solutions that work in specific contexts, without the illusion of wanting to replace the 'real' thing.<br>
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I'd be happy to discuss your comments and questions a bit on the list this week!<br>
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Bests,<br>
Eric</blockquote><div> </div></div><br>-- <br>micha cárdenas<br>PhD Student, <meta charset="utf-8">Media Arts and Practice, School of Cinematic Arts, University of Southern California<br>Provost Fellow, University of Southern California<br>
<br><div>Co-Author, Trans Desire / Affective Cyborgs, Atropos Press, <a href="http://is.gd/daO00" target="_blank">http://is.gd/daO00</a><br><br>blog: <a href="http://transreal.org" target="_blank">http://transreal.org</a><br>
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