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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    When I read the title of the book, I immediately thought this was
    yet another example of how (formerly radical) subcultures are put to
    work to valorize and bring the practices of everyday life under
    capital. <br>
    <br>
    It would be interesting to know whether and how the author of this
    book addresses this potential contradiction. Personally, I see punk
    and other oppositional subcultures as expressing and disclosing
    forms of life and self-learning that are powerful precisely because
    they are informal, uncodified and untranslatable into student
    credits.&nbsp; <br>
    <br>
    In this case, there is also the additional risk that the DIY
    attitude may be mobilized as a form of endorsement "from below" of
    the rising online education industry sponsored by Republican
    governors such as Tim Pawlenty and Rick Perry. Or even worst to
    justify government cuts to spending in lower and higher education.
    After all, if we no longer need schools to learn why should we use
    taxpayers money for education? I am sure Anya has all the best
    intentions, but every reform movement falls into a wider field of
    power relations that should not be overlooked or underestimated,
    IMHO.<br>
    <br>
    This could be an interesting conversation and I am looking forward
    to hearing what Anya and other iDCers have to say.<br>
    <br>
    Marco Deseriis<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Marco Deseriis, PhD
Mellon Postdoctoral Fellow
Department of Culture and Media
Eugene Lang | The New School
65 West 11th Street
New York, NY 10011
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deseriim@newschool.edu">deseriim@newschool.edu</a>
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    <br>
    <br>
    &nbsp; <br>
    <br>
    On 8/5/11 12:36 PM, Stephen Downes wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:20110805163658.40A89EE45F6@mail.downes.ca"
      type="cite">It would be better to quote Jim quoting Jim.&nbsp;<br>
      <br>
      In any case, the use of the term is probably still wrong.<br>
      <br>
      And those of us actually working in the field now talk about
      someone coming along and "pulling a Kamenetz" - appropriating our
      work and making it some kind of pro-business thing.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
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        <hr style="width:75%" align="left">On 4 Aug 2011 11:15 p.m.,
        Anya Kamenetz <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anyaanya@gmail.com">&lt;anyaanya@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote: <br>
        <br>
        Quoting Mike Caulfield, quoting Jim:<br>
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          <div><i>"I often take credit... for this concept of Edupunk. I
              put out a term. And within 24 hours Mike&nbsp;<span class="il"
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                initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Caulfield</span>&nbsp;had&nbsp;theoretically&nbsp;made
              that term relevant, &nbsp;and [he] actually exploded it. I took
              all the credit, but actually Mike&nbsp;<span class="il"
                style="background-image: initial; background-attachment:
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                rgb(206, 226, 234); background-position: initial
                initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Caulfield</span>&nbsp;made
              it sensible."</i>&nbsp;-- Jim Groom,&nbsp;May 12, 2010, in his
            introduction to my plenary at UMW Faculty Academy.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
        </span><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Stephen
          Downes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:stephen@downes.ca">stephen@downes.ca</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <br>
            For the record, Jim Groom didn't "help" coin the term
            'edupunk', he coined it, pure and simple, by himself, not
            "helping" some undesignated other.<br>
            <br>
            The major popularizers of the term were probably Gardner
            Campbell and myself, which is why we were the ones on the
            SXSW edupunk panel eith Jim.<br>
            <br>
            We have our disagreements, but I think we'd all agree that
            if Jim says a use of the term is incorrect, it probably is.<br>
            <br>
            -- Stephen<br>
            <br>
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              <br>
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                -- Sent from my Palm Pre</div>
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            </span><span style="color:navy;font-family:Prelude, Verdana,
              san-serif">
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                <div class="h5">On 3 Aug 2011 9:09 a.m., Anya Kamenetz
                  &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:anyaanya@gmail.com" target="_blank">anyaanya@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote: <br>
                  <br>
                  Hello all!<br>
                  I was asked to try to start up a discussion for this
                  week. This happens to be the week that my new e-book
                  is being released, titled The Edupunks' Guide to a DIY
                  Credential. It's the first-ever book underwritten by
                  the Gates Foundation, and a follow-up to my 2010 book
                  DIY U. Where DIY U made historical, economic and
                  political arguments about the future of education,
                  this is a guidebook. The premise is that learners who
                  are curious and lacking in resources (money, time,
                  physical access to a campus) can use the guide to
                  create the future of education for themselves right
                  now, by writing a personal learning plan, recruiting
                  mentors and a personal learning network of peers,
                  participating in online communities, and using open
                  courseware. There are also profiles of a variety of
                  institutions, organizations, and networks that
                  specialize in catering to the needs of learners who
                  are nontraditional in some way, and helping them to do
                  all of the above and in many cases receive
                  accreditation for learning done in nontraditional ways
                  and contexts. The writing style is simple and assumes
                  little prior knowledge of anything, even Google. <br>
                  <br>
                  As a guidebook, the arguments made by this book are
                  implicit. One is that anyone can be an edupunk, as
                  long as they feel their needs are not being met by the
                  current education system. Among those who have
                  objected to this appropriation of the term is Jim
                  Groom, who helped coin it (although Mike Caulfield,
                  another person instrumental in popularizing the term,
                  agrees with my usage). <br>
                  Another is that rather than engage directly with
                  reforming the system, change can be made by learners
                  pursuing their own goals with the resources available
                  to them now. One of the more prosaic changes I'd like
                  to see is for colleges to review their prior learning,
                  portfolio credit, and transfer credit policies to
                  allow more students to receive credit for learning
                  achieved in open environments. I believe this might
                  happen if more students were aware of the options and
                  petitioned their colleges to accept these credits. <br>
                  <br>
                  You can download the PDF here:<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/60954896/EdupunksGuide"
                    target="_blank">
                    http://www.scribd.com/doc/60954896/EdupunksGuide</a>&nbsp;and
                  an e-reader compatible plain-text version here <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/77938"
                    target="_blank">http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/77938</a>.
                  In a couple weeks there will be a better-looking
                  Kindle version and an<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://edupunksguide.org/" target="_blank">
                    EdupunksGuide.org</a>&nbsp;site with community features
                  launches in September.<br>
                  <br>
                  I'd love to hear what people think about the implicit
                  arguments I've articulated here and anything else you
                  find worthy of note in the book itself.<br>
                  Thanks so much,<br>
                  Anya<br>
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                  <br>
                  -- <br>
                  <b><span style="color:rgb(51, 204, 255)">New ebook! </span></b><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://goog_1627357189"
                    target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)">The
                      Edupunks' Guide</span></a><b><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://diyubook.com/2011/07/now-available-for-free-download-the-edupunks-guide/"
                      target="_blank"> </a><br>
                    Fast Company column</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.fastcompany.com/user/anya-kamenetz"
                    target="_blank">Life In Beta</a><br>
                  <b>Tribune Media column</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tmsfeatures.com/columns/business/personal-finance/savings-game/"
                    target="_blank">The Savings Game</a><br>
                  <b>Book</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.amazon.com/DIY-Edupunks-Edupreneurs-Transformation-Education/dp/1603582347"
                    target="_blank">DIY U: Edupunks, Edupreneurs and the
                    Coming Transformation of&nbsp; Higher Education </a><br>
                  <b>Blog</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://diyubook.com/" target="_blank">DIYUbook.com
                  </a><br>
                  <b>Twitter </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://twitter.com/#%21/anya1anya"
                    target="_blank">@Anya1anya</a><br>
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        -- <br>
        <b><span style="color:rgb(51, 204, 255)">New ebook!</span></b><b>
        </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/60954896/EdupunksGuide"
          target="_blank">The Edupunks' Guide</a><b><br>
          Fast Company column</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.fastcompany.com/user/anya-kamenetz"
          target="_blank">Life In Beta</a><br>
        <b>Tribune Media column</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tmsfeatures.com/columns/business/personal-finance/savings-game/"
          target="_blank">The Savings Game</a><br>
        <b>Book</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.amazon.com/DIY-Edupunks-Edupreneurs-Transformation-Education/dp/1603582347"
          target="_blank">DIY U: Edupunks, Edupreneurs and the Coming
          Transformation of&nbsp; Higher Education </a><br>
        <b>Blog</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://diyubook.com/" target="_blank">DIYUbook.com </a><br>
        <b>Twitter </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://twitter.com/#%21/anya1anya" target="_blank">@Anya1anya</a><br>
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