<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Greetings all, <br>I thought this might be an interesting moment to dive into the discussion, given <br>Brian and Anya's exchange about the relative [debatable] values of F2F<br>learning. I'd like to add another angle to the discussion. <div><br><div>As a provocation: the cover of a Babson/Sloan report, titled 'Learning on Demand, <div>Online Education in the United States, 2009', is instructive. In case the jpg attached does </div><div>not arrive with this email, I'll describe it. Across a neutral blue color field, a grid background </div><div>indexes three changing arrows of progress from left to right. The top arrow is 'Online Education', </div><div>going up. The second arrow is 'H1N1 Flu'... going up. The bottom arrow is 'Economy'... Going down. <br><br>I realize this is not the only comparison one might make, but given its overtones of global <br>network, global risk, I thought it could set another set of discussions in motion. In the report <br>the specter of a global pandemic is raised in relation to online education. I quote: <br><br>"WHAT CONTINGENCY PLANS DO INSTITUTIONS HAVE FOR H1N1?<br>Background: A series of questions about the effect of the H1N1 on institutions and the extent and </div><div>type of contingency plan were asked of chief academic officers. Of particular interest is the use of </div><div>online as part of the contingency plan.<br>The evidence: Proponents of online learning have long posited that moving face-to-face classes </div><div>online could become an important component of academic continuity planning. A potential H1N1 </div><div>pandemic is such an event that might trigger such planning.<br>•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Over two-thirds of institutions report that they have a formal contingency plan in place to deal </div><div>with a possible disruption from the H1N1 flu.<br>•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Substituting online for face-to-face classes is a component of 67 percent of H1N1 contingency </div><div>plans.<br>•<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Twenty percent of institutions with no current online offerings include introducing online classes </div><div>as part of their contingency plans."<br><br>* * * <div><br></div><div>I'd say this is one way to slice the question open. We might ask, thinking across a 25-75 year timeframe, </div><div>what techniques of information distribution will make us most likely to learn rapidly enough to offset the </div><div>massive disruptions and catastrophic risks that climate change alone may create.</div><div><br></div><div>Another would be to conduct a analysis according to principles of 'general economy', asking a simple </div><div>question: how much does it COST energetically to move information from one mind to another, and </div><div>how efficient is F2F versus hybrid versus purely online? </div><div><br></div><div>Of course I'm aware that developing the criteria for this cost benefit will be awfully challenging, but- </div><div>especially in combination with planetary risk factors such as H1N1, the online edu question becomes </div><div>resonant in a different manner. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, </div><div>Ed Keller</div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-style: normal; 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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px; "><b style="font-weight: bold; "><i style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; ">Edward Keller</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></i></b></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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Re: Can DIY education be crowdsourced? (Anya Kamenetz)<br> 2. Re: Can DIY education be crowdsourced? (Brian Holmes)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 14:56:44 -0400<br>From: Anya Kamenetz <anyaanya@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [iDC] Can DIY education be crowdsourced?<br>To: bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com<br>Cc: idc@mailman.thing.net<br>Message-ID:<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><CAPGT6mseqk1W3WdcQkA_hQMo1=ZwEqdUKTUMiCkMeUi3wMx6sg@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br><br>Brian,<br>doesn't your participation on this email list violate your orthodoxy of the<br>skin-to-skin holy transmission of knowledge?<br>a<br><br>On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Brian Holmes<br><bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com>wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">This is a timely subject just as public education is getting axed all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">over the world. It will be the final victory of the bosses: without<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">books, without attention span, without ideas except those piped in by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the media and above all without others, control will be complete.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You'll get the source without the crowd, perfect sterility.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I submit that the chance to escape from total fear and submission<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">depends on having some contact to another speaking body in the room.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">But probably the apolitical designer types can get two or three weeks<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">work making edu-sites for future capitalist game robots!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">good luck, BH<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 09/06/2011 11:13 AM, John Bell wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Yes, I think identifying and distinguishing types of peers is an<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">important aspect of the kind of system I'm talking about. The part<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that's problematic is--without falling back on external validation<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">like degrees and academic positions--figuring out which people are<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which type, and what the scope of the types are. For example, I just<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">did something similar for a proposal as part of the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mozilla+Journalism project where I was trying to identify commenters<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">with expertise in different fields so they could add annotation to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mass media articles. In that system a commenter could claim a level<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of expertise when they made a comment and a trust metric would adjust<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">their long-term credibility based on how other users rate that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">comment. It's a refinement of the old Slashdot karma model, but one<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that seems useful in this situation.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(http://www.nmdjohn.com/2011/08/05/moznewslab-week-4-pitching-reposte/<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">if anybody is curious.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But I think there are limits to how much participation can be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">incentivized without ending up back at cash, which I suspect<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">introduces its own problems. Look at the situation with Wikipedia<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">where they rewarded participation by turning users into bureaucrats,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">creating a system that's often accused of being petty and detrimental<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to the health of the project. Amazon's biggest reviewer is widely<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">regarded as untrustworthy by people who know who she is, writing<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">reviews of books that she clearly hasn't read (those who don't<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">recognize her of course don't know this, and Amazon doesn't expose<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">enough information for casual users to reach that conclusion on their<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">own).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So the question I'm left with is how to create incentives that go<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">beyond status in the internal community. Can external incentives be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">used without creating the equivalent of Warcraft gold farmers? What<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">would they be?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">- John<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 5, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Anya Kamenetz wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Really interesting stuff, John! Definitely agree with you on the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"necessary but not sufficient" formulation.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But the issue we?d like to discuss with the list is what a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">system with the same goals--ongoing, deep evaluation of complex<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">learning--would look like if it were designed to work on the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">same scale as, say, the Khan Academy. Is peer feedback<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sufficient to meet those goals? If so, quality would somehow<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">need to be controlled so that it doesn?t turn into a stream of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">YouTube comments, and if not some other method would have to be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">used to deal with large volumes of students.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What strikes me is that there are different types of peers--some<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">peers perhaps more equal than others. In a community of practice<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">model there are fellow beginners, who have one type of feedback to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offer, then there are people just ahead of you--like the sophomore,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">junior, senior to your freshman, who have a different type of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">feedback (less grounded in immediate understanding of what you're<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">going through and more grounded in knowledge and experience), and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">then graduate student/TA/professor with a more sophisticated<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offering still.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">One can imagine a scalable system that incentivizes feedback<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">according to the experience and sophistication of the person<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offering it, and thus its likely value to the user. Maybe it's a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"freemium" model where learners give and receive feedback freely as<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a condition of participation up to a certain level of experience,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and the most experienced participants receive other kinds of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">incentives (even money?) in exchange for offering the most<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">detailed, sophisticated, time-consuming forms of feedback. I often<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">think back to my summer studying capoeira where the most<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">experienced students took on more and more responsibilities<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">instructing the beginners, as an honor--but only the mestre gets<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">paid.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Of course there are other technological ways of encouraging quality<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">control on a large system that depends for its value on freely<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offered feedback. These are all over the net. TripAdvisor, Amazon,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">eBay, Quora, Yelp are all good examples--Yelp in particular, again<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">for the way it incentivizes its best providers of feedback, making<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">them a recognized part of a community, allowing the raters to earn<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ratings. LinkedIn with its endorsement structure another one to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">look at. Maybe you need a system of badges, tags or profile<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">keywords so you can ask a native Brazilian to read your Portuguese<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">paper or a nationally ranked chess player to check out your game or<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">someone with a stellar Github rating to look at your code. a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________ iDC -- mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of the Institute for Distributed Creativity<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(distributedcreativity.org) iDC@mailman.thing.net<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">List Archive: http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">iDC Photo Stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">RSS feed: http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.culture.media.idc<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">iDC Chat on Facebook:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2457237647<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Share relevant URLs on Del.icio.us by adding the tag iDCref<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed Creativity (<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">distributedcreativity.org)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">iDC@mailman.thing.net<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">List Archive:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">iDC Photo Stream:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">RSS feed:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.culture.media.idc<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">iDC Chat on Facebook:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2457237647<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Share relevant URLs on Del.icio.us by adding the tag iDCref<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br><br>-- <br>*New ebook!** *The Edupunks' Guide <http://edupunksguide.org/>*<br>Fast Company column* Life In Beta<http://www.fastcompany.com/user/anya-kamenetz><br>*Tribune Media column* The Savings<br>Game<http://www.tmsfeatures.com/columns/business/personal-finance/savings-game/><br>*Book* DIY U: Edupunks, Edupreneurs and the Coming Transformation of Higher<br>Education<br><http://www.amazon.com/DIY-Edupunks-Edupreneurs-Transformation-Education/dp/1603582347><br>*Blog* DIYUbook.com <http://diyubook.com/><br>*Twitter *@Anya1anya <http://twitter.com/#%21/anya1anya><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/attachments/20110907/f46d4817/attachment-0001.htm <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 14:23:38 -0500<br>From: Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [iDC] Can DIY education be crowdsourced?<br>Cc: idc@mailman.thing.net<br>Message-ID: <4E67C4BA.4020803@gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed<br><br>I don't have any such orthodoxy. I just have an opinion on your apparent <br>naivete. The Internet is good for a lot of things, but as time goes by, <br>more and more of them are corporate. To make it good for radical <br>education is actually a project that interests me. However, the <br>discussion in this thread just replicates the protocols of Web 2.0 <br>infotainment, a narcissistic hook and a very superficial format for <br>learning. Let the maker and the user beware.<br><br>best, Brian<br><br>On 09/07/2011 01:56 PM, Anya Kamenetz wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Brian,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">doesn't your participation on this email list violate your orthodoxy of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the skin-to-skin holy transmission of knowledge?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Brian Holmes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com <mailto:bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> This is a timely subject just as public education is getting axed all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> over the world. It will be the final victory of the bosses: without<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> books, without attention span, without ideas except those piped in by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> the media and above all without others, control will be complete.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> You'll get the source without the crowd, perfect sterility.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I submit that the chance to escape from total fear and submission<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> depends on having some contact to another speaking body in the room.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> But probably the apolitical designer types can get two or three weeks<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> work making edu-sites for future capitalist game robots!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> good luck, BH<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> On 09/06/2011 11:13 AM, John Bell wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Yes, I think identifying and distinguishing types of peers is an<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">important aspect of the kind of system I'm talking about. The part<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that's problematic is--without falling back on external validation<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">like degrees and academic positions--figuring out which people are<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which type, and what the scope of the types are. For example, I just<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">did something similar for a proposal as part of the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mozilla+Journalism project where I was trying to identify commenters<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">with expertise in different fields so they could add annotation to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mass media articles. In that system a commenter could claim a level<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of expertise when they made a comment and a trust metric would adjust<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">their long-term credibility based on how other users rate that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">comment. It's a refinement of the old Slashdot karma model, but one<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that seems useful in this situation.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> (http://www.nmdjohn.com/2011/08/05/moznewslab-week-4-pitching-reposte/<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">if anybody is curious.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But I think there are limits to how much participation can be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">incentivized without ending up back at cash, which I suspect<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">introduces its own problems. Look at the situation with Wikipedia<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">where they rewarded participation by turning users into bureaucrats,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">creating a system that's often accused of being petty and detrimental<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to the health of the project. Amazon's biggest reviewer is widely<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">regarded as untrustworthy by people who know who she is, writing<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">reviews of books that she clearly hasn't read (those who don't<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">recognize her of course don't know this, and Amazon doesn't expose<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">enough information for casual users to reach that conclusion on their<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">own).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So the question I'm left with is how to create incentives that go<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">beyond status in the internal community. Can external incentives be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">used without creating the equivalent of Warcraft gold farmers? What<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">would they be?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">- John<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 5, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Anya Kamenetz wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Really interesting stuff, John! Definitely agree with you on the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"necessary but not sufficient" formulation.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">But the issue we?d like to discuss with the list is what a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">system with the same goals--ongoing, deep evaluation of complex<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">learning--would look like if it were designed to work on the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">same scale as, say, the Khan Academy. Is peer feedback<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">sufficient to meet those goals? If so, quality would somehow<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">need to be controlled so that it doesn?t turn into a stream of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">YouTube comments, and if not some other method would have to be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">used to deal with large volumes of students.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">What strikes me is that there are different types of peers--some<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">peers perhaps more equal than others. In a community of practice<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">model there are fellow beginners, who have one type of feedback to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offer, then there are people just ahead of you--like the sophomore,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">junior, senior to your freshman, who have a different type of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">feedback (less grounded in immediate understanding of what you're<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">going through and more grounded in knowledge and experience), and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">then graduate student/TA/professor with a more sophisticated<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offering still.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">One can imagine a scalable system that incentivizes feedback<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">according to the experience and sophistication of the person<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offering it, and thus its likely value to the user. Maybe it's a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">"freemium" model where learners give and receive feedback freely as<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a condition of participation up to a certain level of experience,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and the most experienced participants receive other kinds of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">incentives (even money?) in exchange for offering the most<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">detailed, sophisticated, time-consuming forms of feedback. I often<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">think back to my summer studying capoeira where the most<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">experienced students took on more and more responsibilities<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">instructing the beginners, as an honor--but only the mestre gets<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">paid.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Of course there are other technological ways of encouraging quality<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">control on a large system that depends for its value on freely<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">offered feedback. These are all over the net. TripAdvisor, Amazon,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">eBay, Quora, Yelp are all good examples--Yelp in particular, again<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">for the way it incentivizes its best providers of feedback, making<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">them a recognized part of a community, allowing the raters to earn<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ratings. LinkedIn with its endorsement structure another one to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">look at. Maybe you need a system of badges, tags or profile<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">keywords so you can ask a native Brazilian to read your Portuguese<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">paper or a nationally ranked chess player to check out your game or<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">someone with a stellar Github rating to look at your code. a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________ iDC -- mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">of the Institute for Distributed Creativity<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote 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