Anya, can you detail how learning occurs in spite of the system, not because of it? In my experiences with at least that many universities in at least that many countries, I've found the opposite to be true - at undergrad, grad, and post-grad levels. The university is a spectacular place for learning - among the best that humanity has ever produced. The system has become ill and needs to be rethought. But tremendous learning, innovation, research, and knowledge development continues to occur in these systems. Your statement seems off-the-cuff and completely untenable. <div>
<br></div><div>George<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Anya Kamenetz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anyaanya@gmail.com">anyaanya@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM, John Hopkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:neo@neoscenes.net" target="_blank">neo@neoscenes.net</a>></span> wrote:<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div class="im">
<font face="arial, sans-serif"> In my experience across more than 50 institutions of higher learning in 20 countries,</font><br>
<font face="arial, sans-serif">learning occurs despite the system, not because of it. And in that regard, I</font><br></div><font face="arial, sans-serif">applaud anyone who makes it happen, anywhere, anytime, (sometimes even at great</font><br>
<font face="arial, sans-serif">personal cost)...</font><br><br></span>
</div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">Yes. </span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><br>
</span></div><font color="#888888"><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">a</span></div>
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