[iDC] "recursive publics"

Dean, Jodi JDEAN at hws.edu
Fri Jul 10 17:05:14 UTC 2009


Blind justice is one image. But there are others, others that I find more defensible and appealing. 

As I see a claim to justice is a political claim. It aims to take a fact or element out of its everydayness and universalize it, to make it visible
as a matter larger than itself, to make it stand for something more, for something that is of collective concern.

I don't know what the term subjective politics means--maybe something like self-interest?

I also don't think 'our system is corrupted by politics.' The claim that something is corrupt, though, is a political claim (one with a particularly strong history
in republican politics/politics oriented around civic virtue).

I don't know what it means to say that 'the mission of politics... is to inject favoritism' etc. As I see it, politics is the struggle that occurs around
the fundamental antagonism around which socialities emerge. Claims regarding fairness and unfairness are political claims.


From: Amanda Chapel [chapel at strumpette.com]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 9:55 AM
To: Dean, Jodi; idc at mailman.thing.net
Cc: 'Christopher Kelty'
Subject: RE: [iDC] "recursive publics"


Respectfully, no. "Justice" functions (or should) independent of politics.
She's blindfolded for a reason.

That said, subjective politics do regrettably influence our justice system.
But we endeavor to minimize and remove it.

With regard to the marketplace, our system is corrupted by politics. The
mission of politics (and public relations) is to inject favoritism into the
transactional mix so as to influence without actual merit so as to garner an
unfair portion of society's wealth. In a nutshell.

Just a thought.

- Amanda

-----Original Message-----
From: Dean, Jodi [mailto:JDEAN at hws.edu]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:25 AM
To: Christopher Kelty; idc at mailman.thing.net
Subject: Re: [iDC] "recursive publics"

Jodi says:
    Another way to put this: the justice of the market is not the same as
political justice.

Chris replies:

okay, i'll bite, what is the difference?


in a market, the agreement of buyer and seller makes something just; this is
understood as price (under the assumption that markets achieve equilibrium).

there are different versions of political justice. some of these versions
meet up and conflict with price, so:

--justice requires that some things not be sold, that some things have no
--justice requires an equal outcome
--justice requires participation in the constitution of the site of exchange
--justice requires basic conditions that come prior to exchange
--justice requires mindfulness of the long term/future generations

with the last one, we get into different kinds of justice
--justice in rectifications
--justice in the distribution of responsibilities and rights
--the characteristics of just laws and procedures

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