[iDC] Can DIY education be crowdsourced?

George Siemens gsiemens at gmail.com
Wed Sep 7 05:22:34 UTC 2011

Hi all,

I'm somewhat perplexed to see this discussion ignore the entire field of self-directed learning. What is now flying under the DIY name has been extensively researched by distance (and more recently, online) educators. Self-directed learning is not new and it was not invented by the internet. Why is this existing research ignored? I could enter a rant about the power of renaming a concept to claim ownership, but that would likely not be very helpful in foster discussion.


On 2011-09-06, at 2:20 PM, Anya Kamenetz wrote:

> >>On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:13 PM, John Bell <john at novomancy.org> wrote:
> So the question I'm left with is how to create incentives that go beyond status in the internal community.  Can external incentives be used without creating the equivalent of Warcraft gold farmers?  What would they be?
> The concept of internal vs external incentives is a very interesting one in this case. 
> When you're talking about learning& scholarship, as opposed to Amazon reviews, you're talking about a community that extends beyond any particular peer group on any particular platform. Academic disciplines are global in scale and of relevance to humanity writ large (if they're not, then they deserve to wither and die). Therefore there's a very strong existing organic reputation based system for professional scholars: citation and peer review. It's not internal to any one organization, though it is internal to each discipline. 
> Here's an example, via Stian Haklev on Google Reader, of a couple of different existing systems for representing the "score" of a particular academic based on their citations:
> http://blogs.plos.org/mfenner/2011/07/27/google-scholar-citations-researcher-profiles-and-why-we-need-an-open-bibliography/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+plos%2Fblogs%2Fmfenner+%28Blogs+-+Gobbledygook%29
> So the question would be, to what extent is it feasible to represent a similar type of score, based on references to their previous statements, for amateur scholars? That would be an interesting example of an incentive that's both internal and external. 
> a
> ps  John Hopkins writes:
> >>I believe that the embodied meatspace messiness of the
> encounter of the Self with the (unknown) Other is the baseline for any social
> learning process...A community without any f-2-f component who attempts this generation of relevant knowledge promulgates an increasing degree of deeply operating alienation...
> Perhaps if we were f-2-f I could understand what you're trying to say.
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