[iDC] Re : Re: Ello--Alternative to Facebook

Antonio Casilli antonio.casilli at telecom-paristech.fr
Fri Sep 26 03:13:54 UTC 2014

Hello everyone, 

There's been quite a bit of back-and-forth about Ello's murky personal data policy on Twitter, and of course the discussion is raging in other mailing lists. 

Also, I bumped into this first-person account dealing with a specific aspect—Ello's privacy settings, or lack thereof. http://notyourexrotic.tumblr.com/post/98292236476/goodbye-ello-privacy-safety-and-why-ello-makes-me

> "I originally wrote this as my goodbye post on Ello, a new social network that has taken my queer/POC/performer/activist circles by storm due to 
> Facebook’s crackdown on names. Feel free to share.
> I know many of you joined Ello due to Facebook’s real name policy, which has shown to be a great risk to performers, trans people, and others who 
> do not reveal their legal name for security or personal identity reasons. And everyone’s super fond of Ello now because they promise not to sell your 
> information to advertisers.
> However, there are specific elements of Ello’s privacy settings, deliberately designed, that make Ello actually way more unsafe than Facebook, 
> Twitter, or other social media outlets and CMSes. And in our rush to embrace a Facebook replacement we need to be aware of what we are at risk for 
> when using Ello.
> Ello deliberately does not have any sort of personal privacy settings, and it does not have any sort of features to block or report individuals, nor any 
> way to consent to being followed."

Don't miss the interesting updates at the end. They instantiate the social process my co-author Paola Tubaro and myself call "privacy as negotiation". Paola discusses it here: http://www.discoversociety.org/2014/02/15/why-online-privacy-is-not-dead-negotiation-and-conflict-in-social-media/.

Antonio A. Casilli
Associate Professor, Telecom ParisTech 
Research Fellow Edgar-Morin Center (EHESS)

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De: Kati Sipp <kati at hacktheunion.org>
À: Ian Bogost <ian.bogost at lmc.gatech.edu>, David Weinberger <self at evident.com>
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Objet: Re: [iDC] Ello--Alternative to Facebook

Here are a couple of good things that I have read about Ello today, notably Quinn Norton’s piece on Medium & a post on Ello, written by Andy Baio.  I still have some invites, if anyone on this list wants to check it out—so far, I find it under-utilized by the kinds of people I am connected with on other social networks (namely, political & union organizers).

Kati Sipp
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On September 25, 2014 at 7:33:34 PM, David Weinberger (self at evident.com) wrote:

That is a troubling line, but it's surrounded by text that -- assuming it applies to those future affiliations -- rather severely hems in their use of our data.

BTW, I joined today. It is aesthetically pleasing, but so far I only have one friend -- the person who sent me the invitation -- and neither of us have posted anything, so it's feeling a tad tranquil.

David W.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Ian Bogost <ian.bogost at lmc.gatech.edu> wrote:
You might also want to read their privacy policy: https://ello.co/wtf/post/privacy

"Ello does not have any affiliated companies right now. But if we do in the future, we may share information with them, too."

Plus ça change…


Ian Bogost, Ph.D.

Ivan Allen College Distinguished Chair in Media Studies
Professor of Interactive Computing
Professor, Scheller School of Business
Georgia Institute of Technology

Contributing Editor, The Atlantic

On Sep 25, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Karyn Hollis <karyn.hollis at villanova.edu> wrote:

> Hi All--
> Does anyone know anything about Ello.co  , the free, non-ad driven social media website? I've read that membership is exploding, especially among the arts and LGBTQ community.  But all are invited to escape Facebook!  I sure hope it works out.
> Here's an article about it
> http://betabeat.com/2014/09/mysterious-social-network-ello-explodes-in-popularity-for-people-fleeing-facebook/
> And here's the address to Ello.co    (not .com) itself:
> https://ello.co/beta-public-profiles
> Best,
> Karyn

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