<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;">Here are a couple of good things that I have read about Ello today, notably <a href="https://medium.com/message/what-does-ethical-social-networking-software-look-like-315373c898ed"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Quinn Norton’s piece</span></a> on Medium & a <a href="https://ello.co/waxpancake/post/oy73kFfDdhOPh8Jv9z9pFA"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">post</span></a> on Ello, written by Andy Baio. I still have some invites, if anyone on this list wants to check it out—so far, I find it under-utilized by the kinds of people I am connected with on other social networks (namely, political & union organizers).</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; color: rgba(0,0,0,1.0); margin: 0px; line-height: auto;"><br></div> <div id="bloop_sign_1411688408164372992" class="bloop_sign"><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px"></span>-- <br>Kati Sipp<br><span>Sent with Airmail</span></div> <br><p style="color:#000;">On September 25, 2014 at 7:33:34 PM, David Weinberger (<a href="mailto:self@evident.com">self@evident.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>
<title></title>
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">That
is a troubling line, but it's surrounded by text that -- assuming
it applies to those future affiliations -- rather severely hems in
their use of our data.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">BTW, I
joined today. It is aesthetically pleasing, but so far I only have
one friend -- the person who sent me the invitation -- and neither
of us have posted anything, so it's feeling a tad tranquil.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">
<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">David
W.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Ian
Bogost <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.bogost@lmc.gatech.edu" target="_blank">ian.bogost@lmc.gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You
might also want to read their privacy policy: <a href="https://ello.co/wtf/post/privacy" target="_blank">https://ello.co/wtf/post/privacy</a><br>
<br>
"Ello does not have any affiliated companies right now. But if we
do in the future, we may share information with them, too."<br>
<br>
Plus ça change…<br>
<br>
Ian<br>
<br>
Ian Bogost, Ph.D.<br>
<br>
Ivan Allen College Distinguished Chair in Media Studies<br>
Professor of Interactive Computing<br>
Professor, Scheller School of Business<br>
Georgia Institute of Technology<br>
<br>
Contributing Editor, The Atlantic<br>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
On Sep 25, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Karyn Hollis <<a href="mailto:karyn.hollis@villanova.edu">karyn.hollis@villanova.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi All--<br>
> Does anyone know anything about Ello.co , the free,
non-ad driven social media website? I've read that membership is
exploding, especially among the arts and LGBTQ community. But
all are invited to escape Facebook! I sure hope it works
out.<br>
><br>
> Here's an article about it<br>
> <a href="http://betabeat.com/2014/09/mysterious-social-network-ello-explodes-in-popularity-for-people-fleeing-facebook/" target="_blank">http://betabeat.com/2014/09/mysterious-social-network-ello-explodes-in-popularity-for-people-fleeing-facebook/</a><br>
><br>
> And here's the address to Ello.co (not .com)
itself:<br>
> <a href="https://ello.co/beta-public-profiles" target="_blank">https://ello.co/beta-public-profiles</a><br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Karyn<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net">idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net">idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net</a>]
On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:idc-request@mailman.thing.net">idc-request@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:42 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
> Subject: iDC Digest, Vol 93, Issue 16<br>
><br>
> Send iDC mailing list submissions to<br>
> <a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
><br>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web,
visit<br>
> <a href="https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc" target="_blank">https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc</a><br>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'
to<br>
> <a href="mailto:idc-request@mailman.thing.net">idc-request@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
><br>
> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>
> <a href="mailto:idc-owner@mailman.thing.net">idc-owner@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
><br>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
specific than "Re: Contents of iDC digest..."<br>
><br>
><br>
> Today's Topics:<br>
><br>
> 1. Re: #DL14 (Watkins, Craig)<br>
> 2. Re: Introduction (astrid mager)<br>
><br>
><br>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Message: 1<br>
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 03:00:47 +0000<br>
> From: "Watkins, Craig" <<a href="mailto:craig.watkins@austin.utexas.edu">craig.watkins@austin.utexas.edu</a>><br>
> To: Trebor Scholz <<a href="mailto:scholzt@newschool.edu">scholzt@newschool.edu</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a>"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [iDC] #DL14<br>
> Message-ID:<br>
> <<a href="mailto:4F144126C7FD814992C7560BF1AC909451E070DF@EXMBX05.austin.utexas.edu">4F144126C7FD814992C7560BF1AC909451E070DF@EXMBX05.austin.utexas.edu</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"<br>
><br>
> Hello #DL14:<br>
><br>
> The intros look great and the conversation that is emerging is
equally fascinating and urgent. Thanks Trebor for the invite
to share a bit about my work.<br>
><br>
> Currently I'm working with a team of graduate students (i.e.,
media studies scholars, sociologists, designers) to explore the
rapidly evolving conditions of social, educational, and economic
inequality. As the contours of digital and contingent labor
continue to evolve the uneven spread of opportunity and mobility
grows ever more challenging. We live in a city (Austin, TX)
that has effectively fashioned a reputation as a bustling creative
economy and hub of innovation. But with that kind of social,
spatial, and economic development comes a host of challenges that
are often overlooked. Many young people who come here with the
credentials that are often held up as essential for mobility in a
knowledge-driven economy (i.e., college degrees, professional work
experience, motivation) struggle with the often hidden realities of
knowledge-sector local economies: boom and bust cycles of economic
activity, itinerant work, unfulfilling work, or work that may not
be commensurate with<br>
> their e<br>
> d ucation or expectations. What do young people do
in an economy like this? Lots of things including endeavoring
to create paths to work that are more meaningful, open, and
creative.<br>
><br>
> This year, as part of a project we are doing with the
Connected Learning Research Network, we began conducting
mini-ethnographies that examine how young people (20-somethings,
for example) are navigating contingent work, digital labor, and
massive shifts in the economy to create new kinds of work spaces
and new kinds of paths to opportunity. While not completely
unproblematic, the practices that we are studying in Austin's
rapidly evolving yet wildly unequal creative economy raise
questions about alternative future economies and who is best
positioned to build them.<br>
><br>
> Hope to see you in NYC.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Craig<br>
><br>
> S. Craig Watkins<br>
> The University of Texas at Austin<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://theyoungandthedigital.com/" target="_blank">http://theyoungandthedigital.com/</a><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net">idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net</a>
[<a href="mailto:idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net">idc-bounces@mailman.thing.net</a>]
on behalf of Trebor Scholz [<a href="mailto:scholzt@newschool.edu">scholzt@newschool.edu</a>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:31 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
> Subject: [iDC] #DL14<br>
><br>
> Despite the steady influx of introductions, let me make a
short insertion here. We really appreciate your contributions and
look forward to more. Keep it coming and also start to respond to
other people's introductions, don't just post your own.<br>
><br>
> For newcomers, this is the eighth in a stream of large
conferences that have been discussed on this mailing list. #DL14
will be the third event that I convened at The New School as part
of the series The Politics of Digital Culture. The upcoming
conference stands on the shoulders of The Internet as Playground
and Factory conference that took place in 2009 (<a href="http://digitallabor.org/2009" target="_blank">http://digitallabor.org/2009</a>, <a href="http://goo.gl/E4hg5I" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/E4hg5I</a>).
By now, you all know that the event will take place November 14 -
16 at The New School in NYC, and you follow our Twitter accounts
for updates (@trebors, @idctweets).<br>
><br>
> With that out of the way, let's start.<br>
><br>
> My vision for #DL14 can be located somewhere between the first
sequence of Chris Marker's "A Grin Without A Cat" and Jason
Reitman's "Up in the Air." Or, perhaps the other way around. It's
about 21st-century labor: the shift away from employment toward
contingent work through Uber, TaskRabbit, 99Designs, and
Amazon.com's Mechanical Turk. How large is this workforce and which
emerging forms of solidarity can we envision? #DL14 questions the
ability of traditional unions to protect the ever-larger contingent
workforce. And it is about our imagination of novel associations
and forms of mutual aid.<br>
><br>
> #DL14 is also about the crooked language that is used to
describe emerging forms of work through the lens of flexibility,
sharing, self-reliance, and autonomy. And it centers on workers who
get together in any way possible, who form their own cooperatives,
and who learn from the encouraging developments in the fast food
industry, at Walmart, Occupy, and the domestic labor, and taxi
associations. The ultimate goal of #DL14 is to shape new concepts
and theories as they relate to, for example, guaranteed basic
income, wage theft, and shorter work hours. We also hope to look
through the vast landscape of digital labor and identify work
practices that are worth supporting.<br>
><br>
> #DL14 is not solely about radical critique; it is also,
simultaneously, about alternatives. In that vein, we hope to
establish an advocacy group for the poorest and most exploited
workers in the digital economy. Why did Tim Berners-Lee Magna Carta
for the web ignore the fact that millions of people wake up every
day to "go to work" online? Why has the Electronic Frontier
Foundation still not taken up digital work?<br>
><br>
> This isn't merely an academic event because this discourse has
not only been shaped in universities. Philosophers, artists,
sociologists, designers, toolmakers, activists, MTurk workers,
journalists, legal scholars, and labor historians ? all co-shaped
the ongoing debate about digital work.<br>
><br>
> If you are not sure what the hell artists have to do with all
this, go back to Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, Alex Rivera's Sleep
Dealer (<a href="http://www.sleepdealer.com" target="_blank">http://www.sleepdealer.com</a>), Harun Farocki's Workers
Leaving the Factory (<a href="http://vimeo.com/59338090" target="_blank">http://vimeo.com/59338090</a>), or Aaron Koblin's 10,000
Sheep (<a href="http://www.aaronkoblin.com/work/thesheepmarket/" target="_blank">http://www.aaronkoblin.com/work/thesheepmarket/</a>).<br>
><br>
> This is a conversation that also calls for legal scholars to
reconsider the definition of employment and the much-debated
difference between an employee and an independent contractor. A
difference, I might add, that is deeply consequential as
independent contractors are stripped of their rights as
workers.<br>
><br>
> #DL14 will give a voice to startups that decided to put in
place fair labor conditions. We will, for example, hear from one
crowdsourcing upstart that decided to implement a minimum wage
floor for their contractors. At #DL14, you will not only hear
from workers at UPS and fast food restaurants, you will not only
meet farmworkers, taxi drivers, and Mechanical Turk workers; #DL14
will also bring these workers together with computer engineers and
other technologists to think through possibilities for worker
organization.<br>
><br>
> #DL14 is set against the background of a blistering social
vision of economic inequality. 4 in 10 working Americans earned
less than $20,000 in 2012. Almost half of all Americans are
economically insecure today; they cannot afford basic needs like
housing, childcare, food, healthcare, utilities, and other
essentials. The restructuring of the economy away from employment
to contingent work, insidiously circumvents worker rights, in a way
that is arguably more damaging than what Reagan and Thatcher did it
to miners and flight traffic controllers in the 1980s. This
restructuring creates facts on the ground that are an affront to
over one hundred years of labor struggles for the 8 hour workday,
employer-covered health insurance, minimum wage, the abolition of
child labor, workplace harassment, and other protections that had
been established through the New Deal to foster social harmony and
keep class warfare at bay.<br>
><br>
> What you can see here is a slight shift from the focus of the
exchange that we had five years ago. Since then, there has been a
proliferation of publications, artworks, conferences, tools, and
workgroups, syllabi, and exhibitions that have taken on the issue
of digital labor explicitly. There was concern for the question if
digital labor is in fact distinct from traditional forms of labor.
For Paolo Virno, Maurizio Lazzarato, Tiziana Terranova, and Antonio
Negri (and well, Marx) "to live is to labor." Life itself is put to
work; we are all becoming the standing leave of his or her for
capital. The publication of the IPF book came out of that
understanding, informed by Italian Operaismo, leading up to an
intense fascination with the Facebook exploitation thesis. In
retrospect, the idea that we are exploited on Facebook ? that what
we are doing there is labor in the sense of value creation ? is not
as urgent in terms of its content but it is still essential as
provocation. It i<br>
> s a pr<br>
> ov ocation that leads to an investigation of the digital
labor surveillance complex and the instruments of value capture on
the Post-Snowden web. The prolific Christian Fuchs has edited a
collection of essays focusing in the definition of digital labor
(<a href="http://goo.gl/BjaAF6" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/BjaAF6</a>). Mark Andrejevic and Fuchs, in
particular, have taken up the question of exploitation in the
context of predictive analytics and data labor. Adam Arvidsson,
also in his latest book The Ethical Economy: Rebuilding Value After
the Crisis, offers counterpoints, claiming that value generation on
social networking services is more truthiness than fact. Ethan
Zuckerman's recent rejection of online advertisement (<a href="http://goo.gl/4Kfx5H" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/4Kfx5H</a>),
published in The Atlantic, is part of this larger, very necessary
debate about the staggering social costs of allegedly free social
networking services.<br>
><br>
> The debate around playbor and value capture took center stage
for much of the past five years and it will also continue at
#DL14.<br>
><br>
> In the end surely, #DL14 will be out about many things, and
you decide what you take away from it. So, if you haven't done so
already, take out your pencil or boot up your calendar: join us at
The New School in a few weeks, also to experiment with event
formats a little bit.<br>
><br>
> Forward!<br>
><br>
><br>
> Trebor Scholz<br>
> Associate Professor<br>
> Culture & Media<br>
> THE NEW SCHOOL<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -------------- next part --------------<br>
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>
> URL: <<a href="https://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/attachments/20140924/e5bb9392/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/attachments/20140924/e5bb9392/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Message: 2<br>
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:54:01 +0200<br>
> From: astrid mager <<a href="mailto:astrid.mager@oeaw.ac.at">astrid.mager@oeaw.ac.at</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:idc@mailman.thing.net">idc@mailman.thing.net</a>, Brishen
Rogers <<a href="mailto:brishen.rogers@gmail.com">brishen.rogers@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [iDC] Introduction<br>
> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:54227899.2050105@oeaw.ac.at">54227899.2050105@oeaw.ac.at</a>><br>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1";
Format="flowed"<br>
><br>
> Dear Brishen,<br>
><br>
> I'm looking forward to your presentation on the sharing
economy and possible legal responses! I'm currently doing a
research project on the governing of search engines in European
contexts.. there's a new European data protection law negotiated
right now, which is supposed to be binding for all European
countries.. you can imagine that this is a rather tough negotiation
process given the fact that countries like Ireland (where Facebook,
Google and others have found their European homes due to tax
reasons and liberal data protection laws) and Germany or Austria
(with a long tradition in strict data protection legislation) have
very different interests, economic cultures & concepts of
privacy etc. Besides, US tech companies are heavily lobbying since
their business models are at risk and the European market is a huge
one..<br>
> against the background of the NSA affair and the fact that
more and more Europeans are concerned about their personal data the
case of the European data protection reform serves as an
interesting case to study how search engines (Google) and others
(FB etc) are/ may be governed in European contexts.. but also how
some sort of European vision is forming in the context of data
protection primarily understood as a counter-voice to the US IT
industry etc. - drawing on Jasanoff & Kim<br>
> (2009) I call it a "sociotechnical imaginary" seen as
co-produced by technological developments and the forming (falling
apart) of European data protection visions.. I'm in the middle of
fieldwork right now (doing a media & policy analysis on search
engines in the context of the reform and qualitative interviews
with various stakeholders involved in the process), but it might be
interesing to compare the European case with the American case at a
later stage.. especially since "Europe"<br>
> (whatever that is) increasingly aims to challenge US-American
practices, ideologies, and legislations in this context, on the one
hand, and remains highly dependent on the US IT industry, on the
other, since hardly any European internet services exist (not least
because all successful technologies, which are just a few anyway,
have been sold to US companies; e.g. Skype having been bought by
Microsoft) - which is yet another aspect to investigate
further..<br>
><br>
> I'll be presenting something else at the digital labor
conference, but it might be fun to catch up on these issues
nevertheless.. if you think our work is related at all.. ;)<br>
><br>
> In any case, I'm looking forward to meeting you in NYC! Best,
Astrid<br>
><br>
><br>
> Am 15.09.14 21:18, schrieb Brishen Rogers:<br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> I'm really excited for the Digital Labor conference this
year, and<br>
>> apologize for my belated introduction. I'm currently an
Associate<br>
>> Professor of Law at Temple University, where I teach
torts, employment<br>
>> discrimination, and various labor law courses. Before law
school I was<br>
>> a community and union organizer for a number of years. My
scholarship<br>
>> focuses on the particular challenges facing low-wage and
informal<br>
>> workers in the current era of neoliberal globalization.
So, right now<br>
>> I have a project on the role of law in constituting and
governing<br>
>> global value chains, and several projects on the
relationship between<br>
>> basic labor protections and egalitarian distributive
justice.<br>
>><br>
>> In the past, my work has addressed questions of the
relationship<br>
>> between work, worker power, and technology, and I plan to
expand that<br>
>> focus in the future. My first article, "Toward Third-Party
Liability<br>
>> for Wage Theft" argued in part that Walmart and other
mega-retailers<br>
>> use of sophisticated monitoring technologies to drive down
prices and<br>
>> otherwise to discipline their suppliers should expose them
to<br>
>> liability for those suppliers' subsequent violations of
wage & hour<br>
>> laws. A subsequent article published last year ("Justice
at Work:<br>
>> Minimum Wage Laws and Social Equality") considered the
relationship<br>
>> between wage levels, productivity, employers' decisions to
invest in<br>
>> labor versus technological goods, and basic social
equality between<br>
>> employers and workers. I am also working on a short piece
now (which I<br>
>> plan to present at the conference) on how the so-called
"sharing<br>
>> economy" is undermining important public goods, and how
regulatory<br>
>> theory may respond.<br>
>><br>
>> FWIW, my published articles are available here:<br>
>> <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=1714048" target="_blank">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=1714048</a><br>
>><br>
>> Again, I'm really looking forward to meeting everyone in
November.<br>
>><br>
>> Brishen<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed
Creativity<br>
>> (<a href="http://distributedcreativity.org" target="_blank">distributedcreativity.org</a>) <a href="mailto:iDC@mailman.thing.net">iDC@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
>> <a href="https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc" target="_blank">https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc</a><br>
>><br>
>> List Archive:<br>
>> <a href="http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/" target="_blank">http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/</a><br>
>><br>
>> iDC Photo Stream:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/idcnetwork/</a><br>
>><br>
>> RSS feed:<br>
>> <a href="http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.culture.media.idc" target="_blank">http://rss.gmane.org/gmane.culture.media.idc</a><br>
>><br>
>> iDC Chat on Facebook:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2457237647" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2457237647</a><br>
>><br>
>> Share relevant URLs on <a href="http://Del.icio.us" target="_blank">Del.icio.us</a> by adding the tag iDCref<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Dr. Astrid Mager<br>
><br>
> Institute of Technology Assessment (ITA) Austrian Academy of
Sciences<br>
> A-1030 Vienna, Strohgasse 45/5<br>
> <a href="mailto:astrid.mager@oeaw.ac.at">astrid.mager@oeaw.ac.at</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.oeaw.ac.at/ita/mager" target="_blank">http://www.oeaw.ac.at/ita/mager</a><br>
> <a href="http://www.astridmager.net" target="_blank">http://www.astridmager.net</a><br>
><br>
> -------------- next part --------------<br>
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>
> URL: <<a href="https://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/attachments/20140924/55315bbd/attachment.html" target="_blank">https://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/attachments/20140924/55315bbd/attachment.html</a>><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------<br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> iDC mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:iDC@mailman.thing.net">iDC@mailman.thing.net</a><br>
> <a href="https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc" target="_blank">https://mailman.thing.net/mailman/listinfo/idc</a><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> Institute for Distributed Creativity (iDC)
_______________________________________________<br>
> <a href="http://www.distributedcreativity.org" target="_blank">www.distributedcreativity.org</a><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> The research of the Institute for Distributed Creativity<br>
> (iDC) focuses on collaboration in media art, technology, and
theory with an emphasis on social contexts.<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
><br>
><br>
> End of iDC Digest, Vol 93, Issue 16<br>
> ***********************************<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed
Creativity<br>
><br>
> List Archive:<br>
> <a href="http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/" target="_blank">http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/</a><br>
><br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed
Creativity<br>
<br>
List Archive:<br>
<a href="http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/" target="_blank">http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/</a><br>
<br></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br></div>
_______________________________________________
<br>iDC -- mailing list of the Institute for Distributed Creativity
<br>
<br>List Archive:
<br>http://mailman.thing.net/pipermail/idc/
<br>
<br></div></div></span></blockquote></body></html>