[Idc] Kuda (Novi Sad) at The Thing (NYC)

Trebor Scholz trebor at thing.net
Sun Nov 7 19:20:07 EST 2004

Join us for an evening with Kristian Lukic and Zoran Pantelic
of New Media Center Kuda (Novi Sad)

>Friday, November 12, 7pm

601 West 26th Street
New York, New York 10001
Tel: 212-937 0443
Email: info at thing.net

(organized by the Institute for Distributed Creativity
in collaboration with The Thing, NYC)
As part of a series of talks on new media arts education

>An interview with Kuda by Trebor Scholz

TS: What is Kuda?

Kuda: New Media Center Kuda is a non-profit organization that brings
together artists, theorists, media activists, researchers, professionals and
hobbyists of all kinds. Kuda was officially founded in 2000 in Novi Sad
(Serbia/ Montenegro). In the mid 1990s mainly Zoran Pantelic and the group
Apsolutno had the idea to bring together people to shape what is now Kuda.
We focus on research in new cultural relations, contemporary art practice,
and social issues. The New Media Center Kuda offers space for cultural
dialog and alternative methods of research and education.

TS: How do you compare Kuda in the context of resource scarcity and the
current emergence of teach-yourself projects such as Copenhagen Free

Kuda: We still don't call ourselves a university but we do aspire to
communicate 'universal knowledge.' For students interested in cultural
studies, critical media art and theory we offer resources for research. We
are expanding our library- we have about two thousand books, magazines and
catalogs. Kuda focuses on fields that go beyond traditional academic
We employ the model of the open workshop to increase interactivity,
participation and responsiveness. Initiatives like Copenhagen Free
University break the walls of traditional educational institutions who are
closed in the institutional framework. They go public and talk to 'real
people.' At the same time the Copenhagen Free University turns back to a
certain intimacy-- they emphasize that they operate in private apartments.
These activities are based on friendships that is different to 'cold' and
often empty educational professionalism. Education that is exclusively based
on a two-dimensional master-puppet relationship can become incestuous, and
strangely paternalistic in nature.

TS: What are alternative methods of education that you implemented at
Kuda and which structure supports this?

Kuda: Kuda consists of three interconnected departments: Kuda.lounge,
Kuda.info and Kuda.production. Kuda.lounge is an ongoing program of
lectures, presentations and workshops.

Right from the beginning we used surveillance cameras, and simple color
video cameras to record all events-- lectures, or presentations at Kuda.
These materials are in our mediateque where anybody can watch the material
or burn their own CD of it.
This is how we try to make the best possible use of the available
technology. Kuda.info is our physical space that contains our library with
close to 2000 titles, the mediateque, and computers for free Internet
access. Kuda.production stands for everything that Kuda creates‹from the
publication of books, to campaigns, exhibitions, conferences, and the
production of film documentaries.
Our cross-disciplinary approach is still unparalleled in Novi Sad¹s rather
traditional academic landscape. For the most part classical education is
informed by a certain standardization of levels of knowledge. This creates a
hierarchy of knowledge with its values, which could be turned around or
replaced, which is crucial from the point of view of the knowledge economy.
We are trying to turn this pyramid upside down by accessing marginalized
theories and practices. We introduce them into the structure of the
mainstream knowledge basket. Kuda¹s relax space offers the academic rigor of
educational and scientific models without any interest in being accountable
for the accumulated knowledge.
Serbian mainstream culture and local culture in Novi Sad in particular are
not cognizant of the cultural events that took place here in the 1960s and

Yugoslavia opened up to the Westin the 1960s and we had our very own 1968
with all its cultural and artistic upheaval. In Socialist Yugoslavia of the
time conceptual art, visual poetry, Maoism, and leftist Œanarcho­liberalism¹
flourished. The communist government coined the term Œanarcho­liberalism¹ at
that point. At that time political art bureaucrats and dogmatists wrote
official art history of the 20th century, which was very blurry. Kuda¹s
initiatives connect with these historical moments.

In 2004 we published three books. The first one‹³Tektonik & Bitomatik²
brings together texts and transcripts of some of the Kuda.lounge lectures
(English/ Serbian). Secondly, ³Divanik² contains interviews with artists and
theorists who are working in critical theory, net and media culture. During
the months of April and May 2004 we organized Transeuropean Picnic together
with V2-- a three days event with conference, presentations of projects,
exhibitions, music events and theater performances. The event was organized
around European expansion that took place on May 1st. More than one hundred
participants from Georgia and the Netherlands came to Novi Sad to discuss
current positions on electronic culture and media in the context of a wider
Europe versus the countries that remain outside the EU.

TS: You give your local participants in Novi Sad the chance to work in
Linux. How do you motivate young people who may want skills in proprietary
software to score a new media job to use Linux and open source software?

KUDA: This is a question points to the larger market economy and goes a bit
beyond our activities. Although there are strong initiatives to push
non-proprietary software in business, it is still very marginal in that
The cadre of designers and programmers that relies on proprietary software
to find a job, is no different than the Fordist proletarian subject but
without proletarian consciousness. We can link the ideas around software to
Marx¹ notions of the necessity for the proletariat to own the tools it uses.
As of now, software and hardware tools are in not in our hands. In this
sense the open software and the free software movement are connected to the
fight for the ownership of tools in factories. But like a hundred years
ago-- this process of transfer of the 'tools to the digital proletariat') is
slow and encounters lots of obstacles. In addition, there is a magical
problem of standardization in Linux environments especially in the
audio/video development area. Today¹s networks are compatible to the needs
of offices et cetera but the development of distributed audio and video
still needs much more intellectual and financial investment. Open source and
free software need to become more stable and user friendly so that new media
practitioners can easier switch.
TS: How do you educate your local communities about file sharing
and copyright issues in a society of post-information lock down?

KUDA: We are organizing lectures and workshops, campaigns, and make
documentaries (³Catch Us if you Can,² 2003).  In workshops related to issues
of open source and free software we discuss these problems. A few examples
of workshops were Derek Holzer on free software audio and video tools,
³TamTam CMS² by Aco Erkalovic of ³mi2 Zagreb² and ³Slix² by Luka Frelih of
the media center Ljudmila.
In April 2003 we did a workshop with Critical Art Ensemble. This was at a
time when government introduced and implemented a law to protect
intellectual property and copyright to rid Serbia of its black market of
software, movies and music. In one week an entire pirate industry was
destroyed. Before that there were 99 % of all Microsoft Windows software
packages in use were pirated. A year this number went down to 72%.
Last month we organized a workshop on open source/ free software for
journalists. If they will get the message than things will become much

TS: A lot of the activities of Kuda are dispersed internationally, you
travel a lot. How does your local community benefit from your international
presence? How do you feed back these discourses to the people in Novi

KUDA: In the beginning there were different views what and how Kuda should
work. Is it an exhibition space, production studio or what? We realized that
after a decade of isolation there is a strong need for self-education and
hence we focused our efforts in this direction. It¹s important to know that
it is extremely difficult for people in Serbia to leave their country.
Citizens of Serbia and Montenegro need visas for most European countries. We
started to invite people from around the world to come here and then we
started to encourage local people to become more active, to create their own
networks with our help. Our Kuda.info department is possibly the most
important part of our activities for young Novi-Sad based artists. Kuda.info
is a database of calls for submissions, proposals, residencies, and awards.
We have an open library and mediateque. When we organize larger events like
³World-Information.Org² in 2003 or ³Transeuropean² Picnic in 2004 we involve
young people in the production of the events.

TS: Serbia's new media scene had a lot of visibility with B92, online and
broadcasted, around the time of the 79 days of the war in 1999. What are
some developments in new media production and theory over the past years in

KUDA: Cyberrex center is part of B92 and recently became active again. They
organize workshops and presentations. There is also ³The School of Missing
Studies² which is an example of applied interdisciplinary cross-connections
between architecture, urbanity, culture and new media. In addition, there is
a new media department at the Novi Sad Fine Arts Academy. There, Dragan
Zivancevic and Vladan Joler are working to revitalize the academy and to
produce advanced artwork in their department. Furthermore, there is the
VideoMedeja festival which focuses on video and interactive digital art.

The Belgrade Center for Contemporary Art¹s ³VirCo edition² translated some
media and theory titles (ie. Lev Manovich, Critical Art Ensemble, and Hakim
Bey). There are some groups and individual artists who are working in the
field of new media including p.RT, Apsolutno or Ivan Grubanov, and Vladan
Joler with whom I worked as part of the Eastwood group.

TS: When we spoke in Tallin you mentioned that most of your funding comes
from the state and only a small proportion is contributed by the European
Union. How do you find sustainable and locally justifiable funding sources?

KUDA: In 2000, after political shifts Slobodan Milosevic lost the elections.
Serbia dwelled for two to three years in a certain kind of constructive
optimism-- lots of new state supported initiatives emerged at that time.
Now, four years later, there is clearly less energy, and the political
specter in Serbia has moved into a more conservative direction. Our current
situation is not as good as it was back then. On a local level-- the
ultra-nationalist candidate of the Serbian Radical Party won elections for
mayor and assembly in Novi Sad. Our anti-nationalist activities have
obviously no chance of support from this nationalist mayor. Three days after
she became mayor we printed 6000 black posters-- just black. All of Novi Sad
was in black as a symbolic welcome to the new mayor. Last week our server
was shut down: It will be an interesting year.



Copenhagen Free University

School of Missing Studies
http:// http://www.schoolofmissingstudies.net/



Center for Contemporary Art Belgrade


VideoMedeja Festival

Ljubljana Digital Media Lab


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