[iDC] Curating New Media Art

Isabelle Arvers zabarvers at bluewin.ch
Sat Apr 15 04:30:35 EDT 2006

Le 14 avr. 06 à 02:25, ch!k a écrit :
> olalala
>> enlarge the circle "artists, curators, institutions and art  
>> venues" it has to be more connected to reality, real people and  
>> problematics and it has to do more with public spaces, street,  
>> network, supermarket, schools, suburbs...
> ah this is raising new hopes - one day I will be included: after  
> literature (some time ago someone asked me "what art education do  
> you have" but I felt really embarrassed to say i only studied  
> literature since {could see the disappointment in his eyes} that is  
> not considered art anymore these days) and after some years of  
> philosophy I got into car mechanics: telling you my dear friends  
> this is real problematics and real people, also - after abandoning  
> either disciplinary chopped up spare rib art and doing media art  
> once in a while - I consider myself very real oh please clarify,  
> esp. the problematics ...

ok some clarifications: in france by instance, the cultural offer  
only touches 10% of the population, so i meant the rest of the  
population: 90%

>> about curating exhibitions in dance clubs: my first exhibition in  
>> a physical space (before it was mostly on the net) was a gaming  
>> room (playtime-villette numérique 2002) which was open during the  
>> day inside a new media festival exhibition and at night, the  
>> exhibit was also open
> commercial spaces you mean? nice how these arts are totally fitting  
> in into economical spaces, and very uplifting for the nonprofit  
> sector, thought you were talking about real people, but then you  
> only mention club owners, waiters, clubbers and gamers up to now,  
> yes yes more people come once in a while but that tis for  
> entertainment? ah, please clarify, esp, what makes nights more  
> interesting than daylight output ... and another thought::  
> relationship art and entertainment {this list can go on about it  
> for a while I have the impression, hoehoe}
>> during two nights 10000 party timers had the occasion to discover  
>> old games, consoles and computers and also artists websites and  
>> installations or videos related to games
> apart from the fact that I never understood what bovine  
> competitiveness and blunt commercial venues have to do with art  
> exhibitions (only entrance fees are the link?) in the first place,  
> does this add a qualitative dimension to what we are doing or does  
> it simply justify what politicians of all sorts throw out when  
> applications have to be refused: 10000 people are good! oh, please  
> clarify, esp, with what you mean with "discovery" about games for  
> partying people related to media arts ...

come on, la villette is part of the ministry of culture and it is a  
public cultural venue! it was a big new media festival with two  
electronic music nights, and if you can't understand the need of  
mixing audiences, and opening the doors of consciousness to more  
people... i can't help

for once net.art was presented to a large audience and it was an  
occasion to discover Jodi, Natalie Bookchin, Guerrilla News Network,  
Les Virtualistes, Space Invaders, Hoogerbrugge, and all the rest of  
the exhibition: Granular Synthesis, Akitsugu Maebayashi

the discovery of games was more intended to the parents and media  
professionals that often (not always) don't give any respect to game  

>> what i prefer in surrealist ideas is the idea of "la rencontre  
>> fortuite", this is what i beleive in... and it can't happend in  
>> circles that are closed on themselves, this is why it is important  
>> again to mix the audiences and look for new kind of participation
> but did you hear the boom boom boom boom music that night - you  
> like surrealists! now you reveal yourself, but aren't most of them  
> stone dead by now {interesting time related issue} of course they  
> were not "closed on themselves" haha: name 10 without checking in a  
> wiki or google pffff - and more importantly do you really think  
> that a rather amorph category of party timers are open minded more  
> than a rather indefinite bunch of game-maker-artists? so follow-up  
> is needed here: did you afterwards check whether the game makers  
> were added to the party timers and vice versa? if the attendance to  
> both categories did not change over the years, and if we cannot  
> make a difference with party timers game makers and the upgrading  
> issue : more understanding of media arts (in which games take up a  
> very particular but ltd {hihi} space) and at the same time some  
> deeper qualitative appreciation of parties for media artists [we  
> can go together to check out, what venues do you suggest?]

you must be right, we should let the things as they are,  
"acculturate" on one side and some very clever people on the other,  
but i find a bit snobbish, sorry
and for me, mixing audiences (any type of) is a socio-political  
issue, to try to make things change, and not let them as they are,
after the riots in november in france, i think that one of my role is  
to purpose little ideas to break the symbolic wall that exists  
between different kinds of population

isabelle arvers
> oops now I acted really out of proportion, damn and it is not  
> personal because I believe that really nice crossovers can happen  
> but not by supporting neoliberal art in capitalist clubs like all  
> pop (of any discipline) basically is, including all tendencies  
> towards that ... ah, just thought curators cared more about  
> creativity, socio-political issues and content in a way
> oh now I am really disappointed with this list! someone out there  
> to rescue me??? boohooooo
> 		*
> 		gívan belá
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