[iDC] on participation.....

Thu Jul 13 12:58:55 EDT 2006

Hello,

As i am a women, i will give here my personnal impression about my  
participation to this list or some other english spoken lists. I am  
french and as Ana mentionned it before, it is hard to express  
yourself in english when it is not your mother language. I am even  
often impressed by the high level of the exchanges in lists and feel  
a bit desesperate when i want to answer chosing the right words...  
Especially about web 2.0...
And the result is that when i do participate, i feel like "attacked"  
by other members of the list and i always get the feeling of being  
misunderstood and criticised, not for what i said but how i expressed  
it.
Would it mean that women are less comfortable with exposure in the  
public arena? I really don't know, just my personnal experience.
All the best,

Isabelle Arvers
www.isabelle-arvers.com

Le 13 juil. 06 à 17:45, gadflyproduction at aol.com a écrit :

>
> trebor et al,
>
> i, too, have been amongst the "lurking females" (quietly peering at  
> male discourse through venetian blinds like isabella roselini in  
> blue velvet).  although much of the writing is of interest and  
> keeps me abreast of the fomenting dialogue around new media  
> debates, my lack of more engaged participation stems, perhaps, from  
> some of the regurgitive & highly referential mental masterbation  
> that sometimes surfaces.  the theoretical jargon often becomes a  
> thick veil that dead ends healthy conversation/dialogue.
>
> secondly, in response to pamela's observation below about lists  
> paralleling secret societies, and the need to seek out a more  
> synchronous, communication tool for this forum, perhaps we should  
> consider moving this dialogue into Second Life. (http:// 
> secondlife.com/), developed by linden labs.  it would allow for  
> more real time, face to face (well, avatar to avatar) inter(re) 
> actions, and it might enable us to visually represent some of the  
> more dynamic theoretical ideas around autonomy, convergence  
> culture, networked public sphere, and even gendered participation.
>
> if this is of interest, let me know, i was at the games for change  
> conference recently, showing a new game i'm working on about  
> deportation & detention with undocumented youth, and i met the  
> fellow who "sells the land" for universities/organizations.
>
> thanks for raising the topic...
>
> heidi j. boisvert
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pamelaj at andrew.cmu.edu
> To: idc at bbs.thing.net
> Sent: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:09 PM
> Subject: [iDC] on participation.....
>
>   Hello Adriene,
>
> Thank you for the vivid image of water dripping from your body into  
> the
> crevices of the keyboard as you type your all too familiar  
> confessional
> about your addiction and repulsion to this thing, this phenomenon  
> called a
> computer.  My aging body is also screaming for release from its  
> endlessly
> crimped position.  I agree, I also have difficulty making it  
> through long
> laborious posts, no matter how interesting the topic may be.  Blame  
> it on
> my 5 second technology induced patience span.
>
> It's not that I don't want to participate in the half dozen or more  
> lists
> I belong too.  It's just hard to gauge when to jump in and what
> committement I must make to fully participate divided by the seemingly
> lack of available time in my overcrowded dog-eat-dog academic  
> schedule. I
> am but an example of a victim of the successes of our information  
> age -
> forever tapping on the webmail refresh button, yet unable to engage.
>
> Furthermore... I often don't know who I'm talking to....  Lists are  
> like a
> secret society where membership is vast and unknown.
>
> I find it interesting that with all the research and hoopla about new
> communication technologies, connecting people, making information more
> accessible, opening spaces for dialogue... that we're all trapped in a
> world of asynchronous typing.  How can technologies be better used to
> support real-time communication...? or at least add more media rich
> substance to the world of  asynchronicity???  Whatever happened to the
> salon???? How can technologies be used to bring them back into  
> fashion...
> across cyber distances?
>
> Okay... I fear that I am forcing my own self indugent diatribe on  
> others.
> So I'll stop to say... it's great to see messages from people I  
> havent'
> seen or spoken to in years....
>
> regards,
>
> Pamela
> ************************************************************
> Pamela Jennings, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> School of Art | Human Computer Interaction Institute
> Carnegie Mellon University
>
> phone: 412.268.5273 (office) | 412.867.8166 (cell) |  412.268.7817  
> (fax)
> pamelaj at andrew.cmu.edu | http://studio416.cfa.cmu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> There are probably a few more things, but I'm finding it hard to
> continue even now as I have a meeting in 20 mins at a coffee shop  
> down the
> street & I'm still naked and dripping wet from my shower. Thanks  
> Laura,
> again, for allowing your voice to come through your post, which  
> made me
> feel like there might be a space for mine... Adriene
>
>> http://www.specflic.net
>
>
>
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