[iDC] THE ANTI WEB 2.0 MANIFESTO (Andrew Keen)

Sun Apr 29 15:26:32 EDT 2007

hi Andrew & Michel

if you read french ( I know you do michel), there's Gabriel Tarde's  
classic 'Psychologie économique' from 1904. I'm re-reading it now and  
he's really right on spot as to web 2.0, viral public opinion, the  
ways in which talent can be thought of as a socialized puissance,  
rather than an individual asset. Also Maurizio Lazzarato's writings  
on Tarde (La puissance de l'innovation) are a great guide.

best

adam

On 28/apr/07, at 07:46, Michel Bauwens wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> not to directly answer your question, but I believe that the  
> following books may shed useful light on the inner logic of the new  
> peer production modes
>
>  - the hacker ethic, by Pekka Himanen, explain how the new  
> professionals learn from each other
>
>  - the success of open source, by steven weber, describes in detail  
> how open source projects produce together and are governned
>
> Both of these will give you an inside view.
>
> The key is, for projects that work around equipotential selection,  
> i.e. no a priori filtering of talent, to find the right mode of a  
> posteriori selectivity, i.e. processes of communal validation, that  
> do not lead to lowest common denominator results, but select for  
> quality.
>
> These are matters of design and experience, and not essentialist  
> matters, as every mode of production has strenghts and weakenesses,  
> successes and failures,
>
> Lots of books are listed here at
> http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Books
>
> Links to the new work cultures and management theories at
> http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Work-Culture
>
> and
> http://del.icio.us/mbauwens/P2P-Management
>
> Michel
>
> On 4/27/07, Andrew Keen <ak at aftertv.com> wrote:
> I am interested in the idea of talent. Could people please suggest  
> some
> good books on talent (something comprehensible that a fluffy
> manifesto-maker like me could understand)?
>
>
> R Labossiere wrote:
> > I wonder if I might redirect this topic slightly and if the list  
> might
> > respond in a kind of "organized enquiry".
> >
> > Preamble: Whether amateur or professional, lo or hi brow, there are
> > structures of validation in creative, cultural matters. As  
> someone who
> > works within hi art structures of validation daily, I can assure you
> > that these structures are very much intact and not at all worried
> > about the Web, amateurs or any of that (rendering the so-called
> > "manifesto" of the imaginary "Mr. K" moot, and fluffy moot at  
> that :)
> >
> > Topic: What I'm wondering about is the relationship between  
> validation
> > and what I'll call "agency," taken quite literally, in the sense of
> > talent or sports agents, where someone (or something) represents
> > another (the "talent"), managing their production toward the end of
> > maximizing opportunities and rewards.
> >
> > Within virtual environments, agency can have a complicated
> > technological meaning (not my enquiry). For example, I am here
> > speaking to you, a learned group people I would not otherwise  
> have met
> > because the list-serv software and methodology effectively acts  
> as my
> > "agent", negotiating an opportunity for my "talent"  to earn
> > "rewards." (now if it would only send you a bill! :)
> >
> > Caveat: But that's not what I want to get at, or not entirely. I  
> don't
> > want you to get bogged down in technology. I am interested in how
> > "agency" works in a broader sense, multiplying and accelerating
> > efficacy, creating "capital" as it were within all kinds of  
> environments.
> >
> > Questions:
> >
> > At what pont does the creative person benefit from an agent? (Does
> > agency necessarily come only after success, when it is really about
> > success management rather than talent management?)
> >
> > Would all artists (and all creative people actually) benefit from
> > "agents?"
> >
> > What happens if everyone has an agent?
> >
> > How do we determine who (or what) is the "best" agent?
> >
> > Can "best" agents work equally for everyone without becoming  
> "lesser"
> > agents?
> >
> > If you know of other resources on this concept of "agency" it  
> would be
> > great if you could let me know.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > - Robert Labossiere
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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