Hello Trebor and friends, I'm Mila and I expect being with you in this work.
I would like to frame the town center as a working area, like Arthur. I'm deeply interested in relations and neighboorhood created between 'oficial' inhabitants of the old center and the homeless people who ocupy it pointing different ways of living - fragile and instable forms, subversive use of the public equipaments, etc. But once the focus is on the relations and its complexity, I believe that the resulting graffic would not point dots on the map, but blurred zones around dots on the map. As written by Ignasi de Solá-Morales, when talking about architecture's critical role, criticism today can undertake the production of maps or descriptions wich, like topographical charts, reveal the complexity of a territory...
And for the purpose or use of the SPMAP? we are going to build, I'll talk trough the same author: Criticism is thus not the recognition or manifestation of branches but is itself a construct, purposefully produced to cast light on that situation, as a means of drawing the topography of that point where a certain architecture has been produced.
Sorry for my poor english and I hope my friends can give me a helping hand when I have to write in portuguese.
(Trebor, here it goes again. If the message arrives unreadable again, I´ll check with PUC)
Hi Trebor, Ricardo, Lucas, Lucia, Artur, Giseli and all there,
As I've commented with you, I've purchased a beautiful, really cool and large map of this large city. I would have mailed it already to Trebor, if we hadn´t talked about fullfilling it with notes and comments and marks, regarding things like each one´s place in the city, for example, before sending it to US;
As you know, for the next three months I maybe not as much involved in the project as I´d like to, because of the conclusion of my thesis. However, after March I hope to take part in it as much as possible.
I´ll be showing up here, however, as I do not resist discussion lists (maybe I should).
bst for all of u
Sergio
PS: How can I deliver the map for one of you?
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Dear Friends from New York and São Paulo
I would like to enter the discussion just to let you know I am listening, but also to propose directions, names, workshops, conferences.
First of all, I sense there is a lot of knowledge we in SP would need to acquire before trying to draw a careful plan of action. Our group in São Paulo should organize a workshop in which a small number of basic texts are read and discussed.
As a organizer of tele-events I would suggest one or two conferences with the people from New York (are you guys in New York City ??) so we can get a sense of who we are, who are we becoming ? Maybe we should have a name ourselves, not only the project.
I like SPMAP unwillingly suggested by Mila because it affirms itself as a map although SubmaP is also great but it may concede that is not the real map. SPMAP may suggest that what we are doing is really THE map of São Paulo. Once we have decided on a name we should register asap. INTERSP could be a good suggestion since this map is processual, interative, internationally made.
Regarding videoconferences they are now feasible through Access Grid an international consortium. I have contacts at USP (univ. of são paulo) that could provide thge means and thus if City Univ. of New York (CUNY) also is in Access Grid the deal is done.
Actually I would like to experiment with an horizontal platform for videoconferencing, something that I have designed within the Interpresence Project as some of you brazilians know well. This could be an opportunity since city maps are mostly horizontal.
Regarding milestones or hands on I would suggest an order: 1. SP workshop on former projects and a distributed basic reading list (produce a translation to Portuguese of basic readings) (check on spanish translations, since we can read spanish also)
2. videoconferences lets get to know each other better lets hear what we have to say lets meet and have some fun lets talk about collective endeavors in the arts, media, politics
3. Designing a meta-project for São Paulo
A meta-project is a detailed project that could be implemented gradually in other parts of the city. While we produce a map we should be also producing a project on how to do those maps. Actually it would something very consequential to have a small scale experiment in são Paulo that would generate a book in Portuguese on how the project could be continued and expanded.
4. Starting a map of SP Center or Centro or a more acessible neighboorhood like Barra Funda.
Again I would put emphasis on creating a project before or while.
We should research before doing. While we research, while we do, we should should create a replicable project for mapping cities. If we start very small, considering são paulo size, we could actually do something and present as a final project. Furthermore, if we start small we can act as a group and have real connections with real people.
Greetings from the Santa Cecilia district, near the centro do sp in a rainy day.
Artur Matuck
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