Pessoal, Parece que a reunião de segunda pegou fogo, que legal. Estou acompanhando todos os emails e assim que entregar a monografia ( só mais 15 dias! ), entro com força.
Os textos indicados pela Lúcia e Ricardo são super. Santo Amaro será um território interessantíssimo. Moro por perto e tudo o quero de trabalhar é completamente compatível.
Alguém tem algo sobre Santo Amaro ? Algo como história da ocupação do bairro?
Eu também não consegui entender como ter senha para o blog do Trebor, mas os textos estão lá. Fabi, acho que é só ir até o Permalink e adicionar um post. abraço, Mila ----- Original Message ----- From: catadores de historias To: edu@bbs.thing.net Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: [mapping] sobre blogs e brians holmes
Pessoal, parece que trebor quer que utilizemos o mesmo blog que ele, mas ainda não entendi como postar textos lá, ou se ele deu ou não a senha. Por mim não tem problema que seja o mesmo blog,
Rosas, fala tu com brian, tu escreve melhor em ingles e entende mais do histórico do projeto.
o email é: brian.holmes@wanadoo.fr
sobre santo amaro, achei uma idéia legal por ser um projeto da Lúcia já em andamento, onde nos proporíamos (no final de maio) a apresentar nossas idéias sobre cartografias e nosso trabalho em geral para os alunos do Sesc santo Amaro do projeto DERIVAS, Também teríamos equipamentos disponíveis para um dia de deriva por santo amaro junto aos alunos. Essas coletas seriam apresentadas no mesmo dia, numa festa à noite na praça central do sesc. também é possível que publiquemos alguns desses percursos e textos, numa possível revista ou site. (será que entendi tudo certo?)
é uma espécie de desafio para nosso grupo-muito-novo escrever um resumo de palestra e já apresentar assim... de supetão. isso fortalecerá esse grupo e seria só o primeiro passo, depois ainda tem as idéias de pequeno e grande seminário, concomitantemente a organização de workshops para que a própria população de são paulo, construa suas narrativas.
foi isso que entendi das nossas conversas ontem.
1º passo: Santo Amaro 2° passo: grupo com brian holmes (pequeno seminário) 3º criação de estratégias de workshops para ampliar os modos de coletas e cartografias na cidade 4º possíveis seminários tratando do tema, trazendo pesquisadores internacionais (grande) 5º publicações
surgiu a idéia de nomadizarmos com o projeto pelos vários sescs e outras instituições de são paulo, fazendo workshops dentro desses espaços e acrescentando em nosso mapa.
se alguém quizer acrescentar algo, por favor: FAÇA-O.
abraços fabiane.
-----Mensagem original----- De: edu-bounces@bbs.thing.net [mailto:edu-bounces@bbs.thing.net]Em nome de ricardorosas Enviada em: terça-feira, 8 de março de 2005 12:23 Para: edu Assunto: [mapping] Concerning the meeting on Monday
Trebor and everybody,
This message is in English for both Brazilians here and Trebor to understand, OK?
The meeting on Monday was very stimulant! Lots of things were thought, envisioned and planned!
So let´s start with more practical details. As for the map itself, it was decided the best region to explored, given the peolpe who will do the work and the best and appropriate conditions, is Santo Amaro, a district with lots of interesting charcteristics, related, among others, to migration, bad social conditions and such. Also, it´s good not to focus, by now, on downtown, but start with a small initiative, one that can be done more easily, also because Lucia is already working in the region. And also because, as it seems, there is lready a map from Santo Amaro being designed. Is it that way, Lucia? Lucia has got some people who can work on the software, such as making some changes, including the dots, maybe even thinking about uploads by cell phone. Such are things to be discussed, and Trebor may have some suggestions and instructions of the use of the software for Lucia. I do think it is a crucial thing to be to thought once that´s all what this project is about.
Second thing is the other steps on the involvement with the project. Artur Matuck suggested we to study some texts and stuff related to cartographies and maps, so there is the blog that Trebor opened for us to upload with our material and we need its log in and password. For the time being we´re already using a simpler blog opened by Fabiane (http://cartografias.blogspot.com/) in which some texts (in Portuguese) are already posted. It´s good that all of us post material we find essential. Let´s maybe just wait for Trebor to tell us the log ins and passwords to be used in the blog.
Following this are two possible events related to the project wich were suggested by Lucia and Artur. Lucia is having this small workshop in SENAC Santo Amaro in May called "Derivas" (Driftings), which will try to apply in a practical way some psychogeographical notions and explore the district with cameras, narratives, recorders, and such. Different driftings in the streets of Santo Amaro. The event may also host sort of a closed conference dealing with the Submap project, in which some of us will be presenting notions related to the project and goiving some basis on the current use of cartography. It will serve for us to know each other and also to write some material on the project and related subjects, such as the work of Trebor, the use of the city by social movements (in the case of Fabiane), Lucia´s work with cartographies, and such. We can likely have the presence of Brian Holmes (he´s currently in Argentina), who can be paid to come here and tell us his experiences with maps and its uses. At least we hope he can come - we´ve got to contact him as soon as possible, so, Fabi, don´t forget to send him an e-mail! From this event may also come out a publication, so it´s good for you all to think about a text related to the project.
But that publication may be released in another (now bigger) event which we´re thinking on suggesting SESC (that can very likely embrace it), that would deal with "Maps and Territories". For that, we can think of inviting some people to make lectures and even think about some sort of exhibition (I particularly thought about asking Brian Holmes and Bureau d`Etudes to send their maps to occupy a whole exhibition room in SESC Pompeia) and of course the release of the submap project along with the working map of Santo Amaro. That event would be done by the end of the second semester, and it´s something yet to be decided and thought with more time and detail.
Well, that was what we basically discussed. Any other details, please Fabi, Matuck and Lucia include here. All the others, please ask your doubts and questions!
Cheers Ricardo
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